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2022 Stanley Cup playoffs thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Cosmo, Apr 30, 2022.

  1. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    I don’t watch the Leafs at all, but I know they have plenty of big names. What are they missing? What’s the Achilles heel?
     
  2. Sea Bass

    Sea Bass Well-Known Member

    The Leafs’ roster is as strong as it’s ever been but it’s just a bit unbalanced. Hypothetically if you were to replace a centre of Matthews’ calibre with a defenceman of Hedman’s calibre, I think the Leafs win the Cup.

    With the exception of last year against Montreal I don’t think the Leafs were favoured to win any series they’ve been in during the Matthews era. They’ve faced Washington, Boston, Boston, and Tampa. No shame in losing to any of them. (I don’t count the bubble year, that was just too much of an outlier.)

    They were seven minutes away from winning this series in Game 6 until they took two high sticking penalties in 18 seconds and gave up the tying goal while down two men. They dominated overtime in that game but just couldn’t get one.

    Most people in Toronto don’t want to hear this, but I think they’re fine.
     
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  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I don't think it is any mystery that the Leafs were missing defense and goaltending. That largely got better this season. Their defense isn't great, more like average now, but it did get better, even if Jack Campbell went from up to down from that start he had.

    I am sure people there are freaking out, but I don't see them losing this series as anything necessarily wrong with their team, it was just bad luck to get matched up with Tampa in the first round. Technically, Tampa may have been the lower seed, but they are the the two-time defending Stanley Cup champs and there is a lot of playoff experience there. That is just a tough match up for any team, whether it is round one or the finals. If they had lost to Tampa in the conference finals instead, does it change things for people?

    I think Toronto is fine, too. I'm not up on their cap situation, I am sure that Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander eat up a lot so there isn't a ton of flexibility. They are fine with the kinds of role-playing forwards they fill in around the big guns, and to the extent they can add anything, I am sure they will be looking for something that gives them what they were trying to get with Giordano, without paying a lot. Maybe they have defensive prospects who are ready. But it's not like they were badly outshot during the Tampa series or like Campbell was under way more pressure than Vasilevskiy, so I'd look at it more like they ran into one of the best teams, which seems to be built to win playoff series.
     
  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    It looks like Tristan Jarry is going to start in goal for the Penguins tonight. That just screams desperation to me. Maybe he looked great in practices, but the guy hasn't played since April 14 and he likely isn't fully healthy. This is also a guy who imploded the last time he took the ice in the playoffs. Of course, he's better than Domingue. I admire Sullivan's guts for making the move, but it could easily blow up in his face.

    Crosby practiced with the team yesterday. They are keeping the door open to him playing today, which I find concerning. The Penguins haven't confirmed anything, but it was reported that he had a concussion. Sitting him Game 6 wasn't just precautionary move. Nobody should be playing a contact sport four days after suffering a concussion, even a mild one. The risk is even higher for Crosby, who has suffered multiple concussions already in his career. There was genuine concern about his long-term health and career after he missed most of the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons due to concussions. He seemingly suffered from Second Impact Syndrome in 2011, meaning he returned to play without allowing a concussion to heal and suffered a second blow to the head, which led to even worse symptoms. SIS is dangerous and can be deadly. I'd hate to see the Penguins lose a series they had nearly wrapped up because of a dirty hit by the Rangers, but I hate seeing Crosby put himself at risk even more. Unless the report that he had a concussion was wrong, he should not be playing tonight.
     
  5. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    A football team I covered many years ago had a team doctor who was very rigid about concussions. If you got a third, you were done. Didn't care who you were or how important you were to the team. Didn't care if it was major or mild. Three strikes, you're done. If the school didn't like it, it was welcome to find a new team doctor. The school did not find a new team doctor until he retired.

    You'd think 30 years later, with increased knowledge, it would be a no-brainer, no pun intended.

    Don't fuck with concussions.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Everyone assumed it was a concussion, but it has never confirmed by anyone that he actually was concussed. If he plays, I find it hard to believe he'd get on the ice 5 days after a concussion. But who knows?

     
  7. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Actually, it was reported by local media in Pittsburgh and ESPN that he had a concussion. The team never confirmed it, but NHL teams aren't exactly forthcoming with injury information.

    Of course, it was over 10 years ago that he was allowed to return to quickly from a concussion and ended up with Second Impact Syndrome, but I'm not sure I trust any professional league in a contact sport to properly protect its athletes from concussions. There is plenty of evidence that, like the NFL, the NHL cannot be trusted when it comes to player safety.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Reported by so and so is not the same thing as Ron Hextall or Mike Sullivan confirming that Sidney Crosby has a concussion. I have seen nothing on the record saying that. All the Pens ever said on the record is that he is day to day with an upper body injury, which is par for the NHL. Doesn't mean he wasn't concussed, but based on that, it's not enough for me to feel like you can know for certain.
     
  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Is any team actually going to confirm that? No, they are going to go with the "upper-body injury" crap and keep it to themselves. Even if they aren't going to let him play, they aren't going to tell the Rangers about it. That said, multiple sources confirmed that it was a concussion. Perhaps they got it wrong, but concern is they didn't and the team is going to let him go out there anyway.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    They say "upper body injury" whenever there is a concussion. Teams don't announce concussions.

    But they also say upper body injury when it is a shoulder injury. ... or if it is a headache that got evaluated for a concussion, but wasn't one.

    We still don't have anything on the record about him having had another concussion.
     
  11. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    That was my point. The NHL injury designations are incredibly vague, so it is silly to say the team hadn't confirmed it when it is unlikely they would do so regardless of the injury.

    It is possible that it was a headache that was evaluated for a concussion, but I imagine there had to be significant symptoms for them to keep him out the rest of Game 5 and sit him in Game 6. The most likely scenario is that he had a mild concussion and the symptoms have subsided. If that is the case, even if he is symptom-free, he shouldn't be on the ice tonight.

    Also, how much can we trust an elite athlete to be honest about his symptoms? Most of them won't do it. Think about the culture of a pro locker room and the mentality of an athlete. The example that comes to mind is Ben Roethlisberger missing a big game against the Ravens years ago because he admitted he had concussion symptoms. His own teammate, Hines Ward, criticized him for it, adding that he had hidden his own concussion symptoms more than once in the past.
     
  12. matt_garth

    matt_garth Well-Known Member

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