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640 effing million

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by JackReacher, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    Cigarettes? For whom?
     
  2. Zeke12

    Zeke12 Guest

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    They were for me.

    Same thing happened to me. Had no idea you had to pay cash. Randomly had cash for the first time in months, thankfully.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    I am going to buy a ticket today, even though it goes against every principle I have. I will count it more as an entertainment expense than as an investment. This will be the second time in my life I have bought a lottery ticket.

    I do a lot of trading of different instruments in my life, and my decisions are always driven by expected values. I do calculations in my head and on paper to figure out my odds of being successful, and then make decisions that maximize my odds of being successful. I try to give myself the highest expected value for the amount of money I put at risk.

    Lotteries are horrible sucker's bets. Your expected value on your dollar is typically 50 cents or less, depending on the jackpot.

    When I look at this jackpot, I start off like everyone else. Your odds are 1 in 176 million. And the payout is greater that $176 million. From what I read, after tax, you can expect around $230 million.

    The problem is that there is no guarantee you will be the only winner. And according to something the Wall Street Journal blogged (http://blogs.wSportsJournalists.com/economics/2012/03/29/is-mega-millions-540-million-jackpot-a-good-bet/?mod=google_news_blog), lottery officials figure there is a 76 percent chance of someone picking a winner in this drawing, and if there is at least one winner, there will likely be two (actually, 1.9, on average). That would cut your winnings in half and lower your expected payout.

    What is interesting is that as jackpots in these things go up, more people buy tickets, and it is pretty linear. And the more people who buy tickets, the more chance there are multiple winners, which lowers the value of any payout.

    So for that blog entry, they relied on work a computer scientist did, which plotted the expected value of a ticket against the size of the jackpot and found that it looked kind of like a bell curve.

    Up to a certain point, higher jackpots mean higher expected payouts, but after a certain point, the risk of multiple winners takes over and the expected payout goes down.

    According to his calculation, the best time to buy a ticket is when the jackpot is $420 million. But even then the expected value of a ticket is just 69 cents.

    So the bottom line is that you really are better off hanging onto your dollar.

    And with that said, I am going to buy a ticket today, anyhow. I'll rationalize it away with the fact that I have wasted a dollar in lots of other ways without giving it so much thought.
     
  4. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    All those odds, and yet people still get struck by lightning, murdered and hit by cars every day. It's got to happen for somebody, and a 1 in 176 million chance is still better odds than a 0 in 176 million chance. If the line wasn't stretching half a mile into the rain at the local convenience store I'd go plunk down a few bucks. What the hell.

    Heard a story from our local outpost that made me chuckle, and think of an idea. Some of the cashiers printed off a hundred or so quick picks, and wandered out into the line to sell them.
    That got me to thinking ... with as long as the lines are, is there any law stopping people from buying 50 or 100 quick picks, then reselling them for $2 each to people tired of waiting in line? I've got to think there's a black market for this sort of thing. If you're only planning to buy a couple tickets, how much is it worth to not have to wait in line?
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    My rationalization: Those 31 cents of expected value are more than made up for by the value to which I assign getting to having a real stake in the national water cooler topic. I feel like part of the story, and that's worth my 31 cents.
     
  6. Re: Five hundred effing million

    All the math comes down to this: Sooner or later, a winning ticket (or tickets) will be sold. And if you don't buy one, it won't be you. That's all the odds most people care about.
     
  7. Shoeless Joe

    Shoeless Joe Active Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    As someone said earlier, it's actually pretty good entertainment value ... being part of the conversation ... a few years down the line saying "you remember when we all bought those lottery tickets" ... plus, I've spent part of the morning researching which plane I'm going to buy tomorrow ;D
     
  8. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    I just feel bad that the stripper who would have otherwise gotten my dollar might not be able to pay for school now.
     
  9. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    Would you really want to be the guy who sold a $540 million lottery ticket for $2?
     
  10. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    The tickle down theory.
     
  11. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    Nice. :D

    As for the idea of buying up every possible combination, I saw a story on 60 Minutes or something a few years ago about a group of mathematicians from Australia who made a living doing just that in lotteries around the world.

    One thing you have to remember is that they win not only the jackpot, but all the smaller prizes as well. IIRC, they weren't always able to buy every single combination because of time constraints, but they were usually able to buy enough that the odds were stacked greatly in their favor.

    So basically, they calculated at what point the payouts are so significantly greater than the cost that they could buy every (or most) combinations and still make money, even if they had to split the jackpot. It was a pretty interesting story.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Re: Five hundred effing million

    I find that so sad.

    Your odds of winning are statistically impossible. So the odds even the most unsophisticated person should be working from are, "I am throwing away my money."

    State lotteries have the the worst odds of any form of legalized gambling in the country. When you factor in all of the games, for every dollar you wager, you are going to average about 60 cents in payout.

    People should be saying to themselves that for every dollar the plunk down, they should expect 60 cents in return. Not "someone is going to win a lot of money and I have to play to be that guy." It should be, "I am trading in a dollar for what on average is going to leave me with 60 cents."

    Doesn't that sound like a suckers' game, when put that way?

    Let's say you have $1,000 and you decide to use it entirely on lottery tickets, reinvesting the winnings to buy even more lottery tickets. If you buy $1,000 worth of tickets, you can expect an average payout of $600. Spend that $600 on more lottery tickets and you are down, on average, to $360. Keep going at it, and at the end of two weeks you are busted.

    Unfortunately, most people don't look at it from that vantage point, which represents the reality of the statistical likelihoods.
     
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