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7 dead, 7 wounded in Santa Barbara shooting rampage

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by mpcincal, May 24, 2014.

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  1. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany#Current_laws
     
  2. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Sheesh ... all this talk about "a data point of correlation" makes me think that y'all REALLY need to spend some time with the Rev. Bayes.
     
  3. I Should Coco

    I Should Coco Well-Known Member

    As mentioned before, there is literally one thing that will never change as long as the United States exists as a nation.

    Guns are that important to a large group of our fellow Americans (and unfortunately, where I live is a hotbed for these folks). To them, the kids cut down in Chicago, Santa Barbara and anywhere else in America this weekend are a small price to pay for the Second Amendment.

    It sounds harsh, and I disagree vehemently with the above sentiment, but the love and use of weapons goes all the way back to the beginning of this country.
     
  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Just three years ago ...

    77 died in a mass shooting in Norway

    13 died in a mass shooting in Brazil

    Five years ago ...

    15 died in a mass shooting in Germany

    If you want to say that the U.S. is over-represented in this regard, knock yourself out and make your case. But this suggestion that the U.S. "stands alone" is nonsense.
     
  5. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    Actually, as the love of weapons is understood doesn't go back to 1777, but 1977.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/opinion/nocera-right-to-bear-arms-means-this.html?_r=2
     
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Has some lawmaker, of either party, put forth legislation like this?

    Is the support among the American public for this kind of legislation?
     
  7. I Should Coco

    I Should Coco Well-Known Member

    Looks like an interesting book. This part of the review illustrates the change in gun politics:

    It took less than a decade from the NRA to change from a sportsmen-oriented group to one of the most dominant (and right-wing) lobbying groups in the US.
     
  8. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    No. That's the problem.

    We've decided as a country that 32,000 dead people a year is acceptable collateral damage.
     
  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    If there was a push to limit the freedoms of the press in light of these shootings, what would the journalists here say in defense of the First Amendment?

    What would you say about a law that made it illegal to publish, or otherwise publicize, the name, image, writings, and recordings, of the perpetrators of mass murder?

    Would you go along with such a measure, in an effort to reduce mass killings, or would you argue that your rights aren't "trumped" by the effort to reduce shootings?
     
  10. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    You're shoveling shit against the tide here, as usual.
    You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
     
  11. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Are you seriously arguing that the media are as directly and primarily responsible for these incidents as the guns themselves?

    And, I seriously want someone to address why violating the Fourth Amendment is OK, but any reinterpretation of the Second is not allowed under any circumstances.
     
  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    I'm just trying to understand why folks think it's incredible that gun owners don't want their rights limited, and at the same time, think it would be incredible for anyone to suggest their own rights be limited.

    You think press rights are too important to limit, right?

    So, why is it odd that gun owners agree with you in regards to their own rights?
     
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