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Aaron Hernandez -- Guilty of 1st degree murder

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by JackReacher, Apr 15, 2015.

  1. qtlaw24

    qtlaw24 Active Member

    Based on the reports coming during the trial, it looked to me like Hernandez had to confront a great deal of circumstantial evidence that painted a picture that he was at the very minimum the ringleader of the gang that killed Lloyd. Under Mass law as I saw reported, it was irrelevant whether he pulled the trigger or not.

    In many cases, eyewitnesses lead to a weaker case than circumstantial evidence because they can be made out to be confused after the fact, whereas circumstantial evidence, cell phone records, videotape, DNA, etc. does not lie.

    I was a bit worried about the duration of deliberations initially but when I thought it through, I believe the delay was because the jurors took their time to go through all the evidence to given Hernandez every opportunity to defend himself and make sure they got it right. I truly believe that jurors take their service very seriously, especially when they hold someone's life in their hands. In my experience, even when the jury does not decide how I think they should have, they still took their time and really tried to sort through the evidence. Jurors do not get the credit they deserve.
     
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  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    This is where we diverge.

    I think the jury system is fucked.

    One innocent person after another locked away.

    I guess they try.

    I guess.

    It's not even their fault, really. Trials are a big lawyering contest. The adversarial system isn't about figuring out the truth. It's chess.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    What Ineffective Assistance of Counsel claims will Hernandez make? I assume not testifying will be one.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2015
  4. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

  5. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    That's Cleveland.
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Fixed.
     
  7. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    Isn't the standard defense tactic not to testify, that, generally, getting on the stand is a really bad idea?
     
  8. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Especially if you are guilty.
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Yes, which is why he'll probably lose. But he'll still challenge the decision.
     
  10. qtlaw24

    qtlaw24 Active Member

    Don't get me wrong, I know that the jury system favors those with more $$, that sucks for the poor and indigent innocent, they get convicted with poor counsel.

    But the alternatives, as shown historically and what we see in other countries, are worse.
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Not necessarily. I've examined cases in which it turned out to be pretty clear that the person was more likely innocent, and they didn't testify. Why? Because, again, it's not a real trial. It's a chess match between lawyers. Typically, even innocent guys who would be brought up on a murder charge aren't going to present particularly well to the jury.
     
  12. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    In Law & Order and 48 Hours we trust. I KNEW tee-vee wouldn't steer me wrong.
     
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