AL and NL MVPs

Yeah, suuuuuuuuure.

In other words, you're going into the OOPsie chicken dance. Typical OOPsie.

 

Tony apparently thinks we're in fifth grade. Sorry, fanboy, some of us have matured since our tenth birthdays. Let us know when you decide to do the same. Until then, just keep posting that ignorant nonsense and waving those pom-poms.

 

Yeahhhh ... I wouldn't make that bet, either. You wouldn't be able to spew venom at the masses for a month!

 

OOPsie when given the opportunity to back up his bullshit.

 

Actually, that would be you, tony. You are the one who ran away when the last presidential election didn't go your way.

Me? I'll be right here no matter how this goes, just as I was when real proof against Ryan Braun finally emerged and just as I was when I was proven right about Roger Goodell's power grab. That is how I back up my points, by making coherent arguments and sticking around no matter what further information comes to light.

You are the one with the history of running away, tony, not that I expect you to be man enough to admit it.

 

I'm glad Adrian Beltre is getting at least a little mention. He's having a tremendous year with zero protection in the lineup, but his power numbers are down so that'll cost him. (The Rangers' lineup is so weak that opponents will go ahead and pitch to him anyway.)

Still, the Rangers are heading to 100 losses and based on Beltre's WAR, would be close to 110 without him.

 

Based on range factor he's made about 95 more plays than an average third baseman and made 2.5 more errors than an average third baseman. His error rate (fielding percentage) is basically average, but his plays per game are off scale. Let me ask you this. IF those numbers were true and properly adjusted for opportunities would you still stand by that statement?

He's first (at third base) in assists at 283 and first in double plays. He's made 42% more assists than the #5 guy in the league. I think that makes up for far more than making about 1 extra error per 170 total chances.

 

He has 21 errors. There is one other third baseman in the American League who has more than 13. How you come to the conclusion that he has made 2.5 more errors than average is quite amusing.

His fielding percentage is not "basically average," it is the worst of any player who has at least 90 games at the position.

If the statement is "errors do not tell the whole story," OK, I'm with that. Your statement is "this is arguably the most valuable player in the American League because of his defense." He'd have to be playing out of this world, and at a relatively unimportant position, for that to be true.

 

You were right about Ryan Braun? You are delusional.

 

He was right the whole time. He was right that Braun wasn't on the juice all the way up until the day he was right because Braun admitted being on the juice.

 

When a guy plays every day and gets to the most chances he will have more errors, but his fielding percentage is .950 and the league's is .956 at third base, so he has made .6 more errors per 100 total chances than the league rate. Its like saying the guy with the most CS is the worst base-stealer. Its the magnitude. .950 versus a .956 fielding percentage, (99.4% of the league rate) versus a range factor of 3.27 to the league rate of 2.57 (127% of the league rate) +27% versus -.6%.

and having made 95 more plays than average, if it were all due to skill and not circumstance would be about 45 runs saved above average. The metrics both make attempts to adjust for opportunity and one has him at +18 and one at +20.

And he still has a 131 OPS+ this year. He plays in a low offensive park. That's a better OPS+ than say Jim Rice averaged for his career.

 

I think you might be a statinstician as well as a genenticist!