AL and NL MVPs

Not dismissing him. Just saying Gomez is having a better season. Also, that is incredibly generous to call what he is doing a "monster season."

 

Compared to Gomez, who you think is great: Better average by 17 points, better OBP by 20 points, better OPS by 17 points. Trails in slugging by 3 points.

 

And pretty much no one thought they'd be that close after Fernandez went down.

 

Is Clayton Kershaw not maxing out his ability? Do his numbers not back it up?

 

You're not going to hear me questioning Kershaw winning anything.

 

Clayton Kershaw. He showed how valuable he was when he was injured. He is the best pitcher in the National League by a large margin. He goes very deep into games and caused the bullpen to get some rest. He is off the charts.

 

Care to use any more repetitive statistics to try to back up your point? Batting average and OBP? Give me a break.

Of course, you leave out stolen bases, which is the real difference between the two. I know better than to try to argue with you in fanboy mode, so I'll just stick with what I have said all along. Both are having outstanding seasons, but Gomez has been better. I don't think either will win the MVP, in part because they are on the same team.

 

And Clayton will win Cy Young in a unanimous vote. He'll even get MVP votes.

1963 is the last time a National League pitcher won the MVP (Koufax, 25-5, 1.88, 306 Ks).

 

It's been 19 years since a pitcher came close, with Maddux.

Code:

                                                                                                                                                          
                                                    Voti                                               Batt                                           Pitc
Rank               Name  Tm Vote Pts 1st Place Share WAR   G  AB   R   H HR RBI SB  BB   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS    W L  ERA  WHIP  G GS SV    IP   H HR BB  SO
1          Barry Larkin CIN    281.0      11.0   72% 5.9 131 496  98 158 15  66 51  61 .319 .394 .492                                                 .886
2        Dante Bichette COL    251.0       6.0   64% 1.1 139 579 102 197 40 128 13  22 .340 .364 .620                                                 .984
3           Greg Maddux ATL    249.0       7.0   64% 9.6  28  72   8  11  0   0  0   3 .153 .187 .181  .367   19 2 1.63 0.811 28 28  0 209.2 147  8 23 181
4           Mike Piazza LAD    214.0       3.0   55% 6.2 112 434  82 150 32  93  1  39 .346 .400 .606                                                1.006
5           Eric Karros LAD    135.0       0.0   34% 3.8 143 551  83 164 32 105  4  61 .298 .369 .535                                                 .905
6        Reggie Sanders CIN    120.0       0.0   31% 6.6 133 484  91 148 28  99 36  69 .306 .397 .579                                                 .975
7          Larry Walker COL     88.0       0.0   22% 4.7 131 494  96 151 36 101 16  49 .306 .381 .607                                                 .988
8            Sammy Sosa CHC     81.0       0.0   21% 5.3 144 564  89 151 36 119 34  58 .268 .340 .500                                                 .840
9            Tony Gwynn SDP     72.0       0.0   18% 2.3 135 535  82 197  9  90 17  35 .368 .404 .484                                                 .888
10         Craig Biggio HOU     58.0       0.0   15% 6.3 141 553 123 167 22  77 33  80 .302 .406 .483                                                 .889
11             Ron Gant CIN     31.0       1.0    8% 3.3 119 410  79 113 29  88 23  74 .276 .386 .554                                                 .940
12          Barry Bonds SFG     21.0       0.0    5% 7.5 144 506 109 149 33 104 31 120 .294 .431 .577                                                1.009
13           Mark Grace CHC     14.0       0.0    4% 5.0 143 552  97 180 16  92  6  65 .326 .395 .516                                                 .911
14           Derek Bell HOU     12.0       0.0    3% 1.9 112 452  63 151  8  86 27  33 .334 .385 .442                                                 .827
15         Jeff Bagwell HOU      5.0       0.0    1% 4.8 114 448  88 130 21  87 12  79 .290 .399 .496                                                 .894
16     Andres Galarraga COL      4.0       0.0    1% 1.1 143 554  89 155 31 106 12  32 .280 .331 .511                                                 .842
16        Charlie Hayes PHI      4.0       0.0    1% 1.9 141 529  58 146 11  85  5  50 .276 .340 .406                                                 .746
18       Vinny Castilla COL      3.0       0.0    1% 2.5 139 527  82 163 32  90  2  30 .309 .347 .564                                                 .911
18        Chipper Jones ATL      3.0       0.0    1% 2.7 140 524  87 139 23  86  8  73 .265 .353 .450                                                 .803
20         Fred McGriff ATL      2.0       0.0    1% 1.4 144 528  85 148 27  93  3  65 .280 .361 .489                                                 .850
20        Pete Schourek CIN      2.0       0.0    1% 4.3  29  59   7  13  0   4  0   0 .220 .220 .254  .475   18 7 3.22 1.067 29 29  0 190.1 158 17 45 160
22          Jeff Conine FLA      1.0       0.0    0% 2.7 133 483  72 146 25 105  2  66 .302 .379 .520                                                 .899
22            Tom Henke STL      1.0       0.0    0% 2.3  52   1   0   0  0   0  0   0 .000 .000 .000  .000    1 1 1.82 1.104 52  0 36  54.1  42  2 18  48

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 8/26/2014.

 

So historical voting mistakes make Clayton Kershaw less valuable in 2014? The 1995 MVP voting in both leagues was abhorrent.

 

Jesus Christ, stop acting Socratic about it.

Someone else mentioned Kershaw high up in the thread.

I produced other candidates. If you don't like those candidates then goody for you, honey.

 

I mean, who would you vote for?