AL and NL MVPs

I don't think either need a qualifier because I don't like the stat. I might like it if the writer had broken it down to explain how 956/723 affected games over the course of the season with regards to what you're saying (how many quality players v. how many craptacular players).

Plus, I made light of this particular subject a few pages back.

I'm still standing by what I think is the most important comparison right now with 30 or so games to play, and it's that catcher is the most demanding physical position and Lucroy not only is the statistical best at in the NL at the most demanding position, but he has gone above and beyond with the bat, too.

If there's going to be *any* comparison with the 956 should the top 2 guys be Kershaw and Lucroy, it should be the squatting factor. If we're going to credit a pitcher with compressing a heavy workload each time out, I'm going to credit the guy who takes a pounding behind the plate between 54 and 63 innings a week -- and oh, by the way, has an elite bat.

 

You tried to float a comparison of the players based one one's doubles and the other's home runs. It didn't fly and for good reason.

There is so much more to defense than errors, so no, I'm not going to put much stock in that attempt of yours, either.

 

That Lucroy is having a career year is irrelevant. Interesting that those pushing his case keep relying on arguments or statistics that are either irrelevant, redundant or invalid.

 

Those fucking statistics!

Home runs and stolen bases make the MVP!

 

That would make sense if those were the only two statistics I was taking into account, but I'm not, so it doesn't.

 

You are the guy who cites ERA to argue the merit of relievers.
You're still singing the Gregorian chant when you do this.
The smart kids have moved on to advanced metrics.

 

I'd ask but you'd find a way to avoid answering who you think should be the top 3 MVP candidates and why -- because at this point only a few stand out -- and instead harp on how everyone else in the world is wrong and that you're right. You tend to do that and by tend to do I mean always.

The only real thing you've said in this thread is that Gomez is more worthy than Lucroy (if the Brewers were going to produce an overall MVP candidate), and then LTL listed the most important SABR stats that shot a hole in your HR/SB stats.

 

Don't bring me into it, Xan!

(I haven't followed oop's latest neurosis, but I think my contribution was the clutch stats. Which of course don't count because they don't show Gomez being better.)

 

I don't just use ERA, but you don't care much about accuracy, do you?

The really smart kids know that none of the current defensive metrics work well enough to be trusted. They are intelligent enough to realize that shiny and new still has to be proven as better and often fails that test.

 

Personal attacks in the place of actual debate. Yeah, that's normal for you. Thank you for nothing.

 

The point being, oop, is that I would have a little more respect for your contributions if you provided real context to what you're trying to say. Show me the stats you think are important in this year's NL MVP race and let me digest them and try to see your vision in this debate.

 

It's better than fielding percentage. The conversation has changed. Don't get mad that you got left behind.