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AL Cy Young

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Aug 19, 2010.

  1. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    That's right.

    Here's some winners you didn't even know were winners:

    Freddy Garcia
    Ervin Santana
    Carlos Zambrano

    All better career winning percentages than King Felix. Why? Because they are winners. And winners win.
     
  2. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Thank you for proving perfect evidence of how flawed wins are as a pitching statistic.
     
  3. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    It's not just wins. It's winning percentage. That means those guys don't lose much. Know why? Cause losers lose, not winners.
     
  4. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    Is Cliff Lee off the list yet?
     
  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Ok. So thank you for perfect evidence of just how flawed winning percentage is as a pitching statistic.

    Find me one manager or general manager in baseball who thinks any of those guys is even remotely close to the level of Felix Hernandez. I doubt you can because that person would be unemployed due to gross incompetence.
     
  6. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    This is about the Cy Young award, not about who thinks what pitcher is better.
     
  7. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    C.J. Wilson has to get some serious consideration. He's 7-0 since the All-Star break, 14-5, 2.88 ERA, 1.19 WHIP and .205 BAA overall. Plus, he pitches for a first-place team, he'll get over 200 innings and he's only given up 127 hits in 171.2 innings. He's been better than CC with less supporting cast.
     
  8. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    It's the pitcher who has the best season. Apparently we have finally discovered the problem. You don't even understand what the award is for.

    Good call, cranberry. Wilson has definitely pitched his way into the discussion.
     
  9. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    So you're saying that, historically, wins have been by far the most important category for voters. I agree. But I think statistical evaluation and the makeup of the BBWAA electorate have evolved a lot in the past 4-5 years. The voters may surprise you.
     
  10. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    Last year the Cy winners had the lowest win totals for starting pitchers in history, I believe. It was an aberration, born from the fact that no one won 20 games.

    This year, Sabathia will most likely win 20 games. Felix Hernandez will not beat him out. In the NL, four pitchers have between 17 and 15 wins. If someone gets to 20, he wins the award. Halladay has become the frontrunner as he leads the league in Ks and IP, and is right there in ERA and wins.

    The Cy Young Award has almost always gone to the guys who get 20 wins. Wins has always determined it. Wins will determine it again this year. The only way someone without a good winning record wins is if there is no one with a real good winning record.
     
  11. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Historically, yes, and there is undeniably some special kind of mojo that goes along with winning 20. We like our round numbers in sports, after all. Voters get smarter every year and they've been pushed by the sabermetric crowd to evolve pretty rapidly in recent years.
     
  12. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    2007 Sabathia -- 19-7, 3.21 ERA
    2007 Beckett -- 20-7, 3.27 ERA

    Guess who won the Cy Young that year? Hint: Not a 20-win Beckett.
     
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