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AL Cy Young

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Aug 19, 2010.

  1. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

    Well said, BB. That's what made a lot of what was written about this so infuriating, is because you didn't need any new-fangled stats from those kids these days with their hip-hop music, and their baggy pants, always running t-squared tests on my lawn!!!
    Ooops, got a little carried away there for a second.
    Anyway, you didn't need anything more complicated than good ol' ERA to make this decision, which, for my money, is one of the best stats that exist if your goal is determining how well a player has preformed in a given year.
     
  2. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Well, this year's award will be considered the one in which a spike was driven through the fallacy that wins is a meaningful tool for measuring pitchers. That's a good thing.
     
  3. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Can't pass this up (so it's a fastball I can swing at; sue me!). When you square the t-distribution, you get the F-distribution with 1 d.f. in the numerator and n-1 d.f. in the denominator. ;D

    I agree with you on the ERA. If you judged it by wins, Tommy Hunter was better than Cliff Lee for the Rangers this season.
     
  4. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Agree with BB. You can always keep further parsing down what "should" have happened based on a variety of factors, and I wholeheartedly endorse that for predictive tools. But when you are measuring what a player did that season, sometimes you just have to stop extrapolating and give him credit for what happened.

    But wins are still a stupid stat.
     
  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    He would have been easy to vote for at 12-12, too, at least for any voter with a clue.
     
  6. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    Nolan Ryan & Randy Johnson are not sure. 10 years ago, Hernandez would not have won. 25 years ago, he might not have been top 3.
     
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Based on WAR for pitchers at baseball-reference.com, yeah, the writers got this one right.

    However, they did supremely fuck up the NL voting, because Ubaldo Jimenez was clearly the best pitcher in the league, it says so right there on the spreadsheet.
     
  8. Shaggy

    Shaggy Guest

    So you're telling me David Price is right and Joe Morgan is wrong? But Joe Morgan "played the game" didn't he?
     
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