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JR · Dec 7, 2005

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soccer dad said:

final day, 1987 -- tigers beat blue jays 1-0 to win the al east on a solo hr by larry herndon. key tossed a three-hitter.

it was the last of seven consecutive losses to end the season for toronto, as the two men who sandwiched al mvp george bell in the lineup -- tony fernandez & ernie whitt -- were out with injuries. sparky anderson rolled the ball to bell all weekend, and bell swung away.
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Thanks, I remember that game and that dreadful end to the season.

I loved watching Jimmy Key pitch.

Beef03 · Dec 7, 2005

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soccer dad said:

beef,

i dont know if you saw after hours on saturday, but peca was the guest and he was excellent.he talked about how he met with mactavish and it was decided to take him away from the offensive role and move him down with either pisani-moreau or harvey-laraque. since then, hes been much, much better.

it's obvious watching him but his body language is much better and so is his play.

peca's biggest problem is that mike milbury gave him that contract. darcy regier refused to do it -- and ripped apart the sabres in the process -- but hindsight clearly shows it to be the correct decision. because peca has such a big ticket, people look at his stats and scream. but his value is not scoring. it's his ability to grind, to make life difficult for the opposition. and it's clear that hes beginning to find his way in the new nhl.

he was terrific last week against the avalance, canucks and even the bruins. pisani-moreau (who i love)-peca was edmonton's best line saturday by a mile. the only sad thing for peca was watching him get caught from behind on a shorthanded breakaway early in the second. hes lost a step (he just missed in overtime before tanabe's winner). over the years, hes punished his body so badly that its cost him at the offensive end.
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I did not see after hours on Saturday night (without satelite right now) and I fully agree that contract is handicapping him in the public right now. The thing is though, Edmonton has a number of guys who can play that aggressive defensive centreman role (Reasoner and Stoll come to mind immediately) and they haven't lost a step - they are in fact on the way into their prime and make a lot less than $4-mil a year. Peca when brought in was called a number one centreman, that his stats as a grinding defensive centreman (basically avg. 60 pts a season when healthy) suggested that if he was put in an offensive role, for the first time in his career, that he could excel. I will admit that I was one of the ones going on and on about how great a move it was initially, and beating the drum that he could be a Number one centre, but up until late he hasn't even shown that fire he is famous for. The Oilers would have been better off keeping York - who I love (great defenisvely, has some offensive up side, etremely versital, hasn't lost a step ...).
We'll see if he can turn it around though. If the Oil can get 50-60 points from their third line centre I'll be somewhat happy. I think that early season concussion set him back, hopefully that's behind him now.

hockeybeat · Dec 7, 2005

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Give the Rangers credit. They are completely whoring out Mark Messier's name and likeness in time for the holiday season. http://www.steinersports.com:8001/s...051206&s1458c4057441o4114t1412n35043e11660927

ShelbyFoote · Dec 7, 2005

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Anyone else think that the crackdown on obstruction, clutching and grabbing seems to be slowing down? Hooking and holding isn't as bad as it used to be, but it does seem to be slowly seeping back into games. Or am I offbase?

hockeybeat · Dec 8, 2005

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Havlat's out for the rest of the regular season.

Havlat to miss rest of regular season after shoulder surgery

Dec. 8, 2005
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports

OTTAWA -- Senators forward Martin Havlat will have surgery on his dislocated right shoulder and is expected to miss the rest of the regular season.

Havlat was examined at the Cleveland Clinic and decided Wednesday to have surgery on the recommendation of specialist Dr. Anthony Miniaci.

"It's really disappointing," Havlat said in a conference call from Cleveland. "It's always bad if you can't play, if you can't be a part of the team on the ice.

"With this surgery, there's a good chance that I'll be back (for the playoffs)," Havlat said. "I don't want to miss the most important past of the season at the end. I'll do my best to get back because I want to have a chance to fight for the Stanley Cup."

Miniaci consulted with Senators physician Don Chow and team officials after the examination. Chow said the type of dislocation Havlat has is associated with a small fracture on the top of his shoulder bone.

"Dr. Miniaci is planning on not just fixing all of the soft tissue, but he will also be fixing the fracture defect," Chow said. "This is why it is a little more difficult and unusual than most shoulder dislocations."

Havlat's condition will be reassessed after about three months.

"That's probably the earliest that we could get him back into the lineup," Chow said. "But everything will depend on how well his rehabilitation goes.

"We will be watching him very closely."

General manger John Muckler, who is in Vancouver, said he is optimistic the Senators will continue winning without Havlat. Ottawa (21-4) leads the NHL with 42 points.

"I think we do have enough depth in the organization to cover for Marty while he's gone and at the same time it will give us an opportunity to look at our younger players," Muckler said.

Brandon Bochenski, who scored three goals in Ottawa's 6-2 win over Florida on Monday night, will replace Havlat in the Senators lineup.

"Bochenski will get the first opportunity," Muckler said. "He's played well.

"He showed great speed the other night. We feel that he'll be able to do the job for us. It's sad that Marty won't be with us, but it gives others the opportunity."

Havlat, 24, who has nine goals and five assists in 16 games this season, was injured on Nov. 29 against Montreal.

"The good thing is if he works hard there's a possibility he'll be able to come back for the playoffs," Muckler said.

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JR · Dec 8, 2005

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HB,
They say he might be back for the playoffs.

Just in time for the Sens to choke.

Double J · Dec 8, 2005

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That's funny, the playoffs are usually the time when Havlat disappears. One of the team's more dispensable guys, in my opinion.

JR · Dec 8, 2005

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JJ, you're right.

He could play on The Invisible Man Line with Hossa and Yashin.

DocTalk · Dec 8, 2005

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2252374

Lemieux has recurrent atrial fibrillation? Most people would be considered candidates for anti-coagulation, using coumadin to thin the blood, to prevent stoke. Don't know if it's a good idea to play a contact sport competitively on the drug. Wonder if Lemieux is done?

Hank_Scorpio · Dec 8, 2005

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DocTalk said:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2252374

Lemieux has recurrent atrial fibrillation? Most people would be considered candidates for anti-coagulation, using coumadin to thin the blood, to prevent stoke. Don't know if it's a good idea to play a contact sport competitively on the drug. Wonder if Lemieux is done?
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Is that anything like what struck Jiri Fischer?
Honestly I don't think they've determined what exactly happened and why to him.

sportschick · Dec 8, 2005

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The AP story says Lemieux is expected to be back on the ice in a couple of weeks once they get his meds worked out.

From the AP story:

Lemieux, whose oft-interrupted Hall of Fame career has included an uncommon sequence of medical misfortune, was released Thursday from a Pittsburgh hospital after being admitted less than 24 hours before with a rapid heartbeat. The condition, known as atrial fibrillation, is commonly treated with medication and is not expected to end his career or alter his life.
The 40-year-old Lemieux was â€œvery happy, very relievedâ€ upon hearing that his problem was not much more serious, according to Patrick. Lemieux could be working out again within a week, after doctors determine how much medication he needs, and he could return to the ice not longer after that.
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Beef03 · Dec 8, 2005

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sportschick said:

The AP story says Lemieux is expected to be back on the ice in a couple of weeks once they get his meds worked out.

From the AP story:

Lemieux, whose oft-interrupted Hall of Fame career has included an uncommon sequence of medical misfortune, was released Thursday from a Pittsburgh hospital after being admitted less than 24 hours before with a rapid heartbeat. The condition, known as atrial fibrillation, is commonly treated with medication and is not expected to end his career or alter his life.
The 40-year-old Lemieux was â€œvery happy, very relievedâ€ upon hearing that his problem was not much more serious, according to Patrick. Lemieux could be working out again within a week, after doctors determine how much medication he needs, and he could return to the ice not longer after that.
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If this is true, that's good news that he's feeling better and should be well enough to play again - although he shouldn't, as stated before.

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