All-purpose, running Geek thread (formerly Battlestar Galactica thread)

Setting it in WWI is idiotic.

Wonder Woman by definition was a WWII character.

 

Captain America: The First Avenger was a little like that, though it was the introduction of the character in the MCU. We knew where the character was going to end up, but it was still a decent movie.

 

Agreed, I liked the First Avenger. I liked Winter Solider and Civil War more because they weren't steps backward in the overall story. They actually pushed the MCU story forward. I think it helped that First Avenger came out before The Avengers. That may be way Wonder Woman feels like a step backward to me, because I view BvS as DC's Avengers.

I think if Wonder Woman had come out before BvS, I wouldn't feel that sour about it. I've said it before, but I wish DC had taken its time setting up this universe instead what felt like rushing BvS.

 

With every passing day it becomes more and more apparent what a hot load of shit Batman v. Superman was. What the hell was the point of Wonder Woman in that movie, to say nothing of Flash and Cyborg? Why didn't they just give Eisenberg green hair and call him The Joker?

What the hell was the point of Doomsday, since nobody believes they're really going to kill off Superman anyway? Oh yeah, there's never any point to Dumbsday in any Superman story, ever.

 

On that, we definitely agree. They should have followed Marvel's plan and established more of the characters as individuals first. At the very least, keep the other heroes out of Batman V Superman, simply because I understand not wanting to do a Batman solo film just yet due to comparisons with Nolan's version.

Put a teaser with Batman at the end of Wonder Woman. Then the Batman solo movie, with another post-credits scene connecting to another character. Then Justice League to pull it together.

 

Actually, they could have done a pretty good (maybe great) Batman-Superman movie if they had just had Lex Luthor and the Joker team up in a supervillain alliance.

But that would have required them to not fuck up the character of Luthor for a change -- which they've never managed to do.

 

I'm still amazed that they managed to fuck it up with Spacey.

 

Going to try and catch a matinee of Doctor Strange today. Getting solid reviews so far.

 

Singer felt compelled to mimic the Hackman-Lex version with the dumbass sidekicks, the stupid real-estate scheme and the lame ass cocktail lounge comedy.
For a few brief shining moments his Lex did seem threatening and also to really hate Superman, instead of the air of bemused annoyance Hackman usually exuded. Then it was back to Shecky Luthor.

 

Agreed. The part with Luthor and his goons beating on a Kryptonite-poisoned Superman, then Lex stabbing him and kicking him over the edge. All very menacing. Still stupid not to make sure he was dead, but at least something resembling a truly dangerous version of the character.

 

I've never been a huge fan of the character, but little OOP wants to see it so we're going next weekend. I'm expecting a decent movie with great visuals and Cumberbatch really is great casting, so hopefully it is a good one.

 

The best Lex Luthor ever on screen was Mark Strong as Lord Blackwood in the first Downey-Law Sherlock Holmes movie.

Luthor is supposed to be grim, ruthless, intimidatingly brilliant, physically creepy, OCCASIONALLY funny in a bitter black-humored sense, but not a chortling goof (Hackman) or a giggling nut case (Eisenberg).

Deep down he really is crazy too, with his maniacal obsession with killing Superman which causes him to ultimately abandon/ignore all other objectives, but in the service of that cause he has a chilling Vulcan-like cold logic.

Teaming him up with the overtly crazy Joker (the Ledger version or a close facsimile) would make for a hell of a supervillain "buddy" movie.

You'd have super-logical and analytical Lex trying to keep screw-loose Joker in line and execute their master plan, while Joker keeps cajoling Lex to loosen up, get crazy, live a little.

Meanwhile the cynical and unsentimental Batman and the earnest and optimistic Superman are working out the rough edges in their own partnership.

Hell, you could even throw in the romantic subplot where hard-charging bulldog investigative journalist Lois Lane bumps heads with Gotham tabloid paparazzi photog Vicki Vale.