All-purpose, running Tim Tebow sucks/is a deity thread!

What does being "anti-Tebow" entail?

Denver 13, Chicago 10: If I were to list the factors in determining this outcome, starting with the most decisive, I'd go 1. Marion Barber's mistakes, 2. etc., 3. etc. Tebow would be in the top three.

Does that make me anti-Tebow?

Can someone give a complete psychological profile of me (I hate Jesus, I hate Christians, I hate Christianity, I'm old-fashioned, etc.) based on me feeling that Marion Barber was the most important determining element in that game?

The way that this conversation (here, by national media, etc.) has been framed from the start is flawed.

 

I'd add that the number of comeback victories that Denver has pulled off, and the number of victories total, since Tebow became quarterback is amazing, and newsworthy, and awe-worthy. Tebow is a huge part of all of those. The biggest part.

But it is also equally amazing, newsworthy, awe-worthy, miraculous and so on that in almost every game Denver plays, the games unfold in such a way as to set the stage for a comeback. No one puts the Broncos away (such as the Bears MAY have if they'd had the varsity offense playing). The Broncos never put anyone away. The continued confluence of events that makes it POSSIBLE for Tebow to orchestrate these comebacks is just as amazing and improbable as the comebacks themselves.

Yet it seems like acknowledging this, and the role that Tebow's poor early-in-each-game-performance plays in creating fertile comeback conditions, is haterade.

 

You're tuning in way too late, because we've been talking about all of that for a month now.

 

You're...right.

I'll recede to being just an observer. I'm a Bears fanboi, so Sunday was the only time I will have any "personal" stake in the Tebow phenomena.

(He is interesting, but doesn't interest me, so to speak).

 

The more interesting the person, the more Manichean the analysis...

 

Agreed. I don't know why one must be either pro or anti-Tebow...

 

You ought to read that more carefully. That was a more patient response than you've shown you deserve.

 

Was I being less than honorable, Herbert?

 

Time will tell.

 

Michael, Any team that commits to the run runs to move the chain and control clock to wear opponents down. The Broncos have failed in that regard and it's because of this I opine that it isn't the running game's success that keeps them from passing on earlier downs.

By my unofficial count (using drive charts on ESPN.com's game boxes) in the games since Tebow has become the starting QB, they have gone 3-and-out on 37 of 111 possessions (counting two possessions where they failed to get a first down in three downs, then failed in an attempt to go for it on fourth - once on a fake punt and once on a conventional play - the number increases to 39). If I count the same way Elias does here - http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/22958/three-and-out-redux-by-the-percentages - than the Tebow Broncos' 33 percent 3-and-out percentage is the worst in NFL BY FAR. If you include the two failed attempts to go for it, the percentage jumps to a whopping 35 percent (39 of 111).

The Broncos stats on the link include the percentage under Orton, obviously.

When you add in the possessions where they turn it over they probably fail to move the chains close to 40 percent of their possessions. I can't imagine any running team that would deem itself successful without being able to consistently move the chains.

That makes the Tebow-led Broncos offense close to being THE most inept in the NFL.

And then the 2-minute warning comes...

 

(a)...and yet again, the opposing offense has failed to make the two-minute warning a meaningless milestone in the game.

(b)...and yet again, Tim Tebow makes plays and inspires his teammates to do the same, leading the team to victory with no margin for error.

BOTH (a) and (b) are facts, eminently germane to any reasonable analysis.

(And germane to my meta-observation that pointing this out makes one a "hater," somehow).

Okay, I really am done trolling now.

More Germane than Tito.

 

I'm ready to see the offense open up. For all his big fucking looping motion and inaccuracy, I don't see his throws as significantly more off mark than most qbs in the league. And the receivers don't appear to have any stars among them.

Maybe Fox is convinced that running this three and out offense really does wear down teams for the all important last two minutes... but I am ready to see some throws in the first two downs. Roll him left until he proves he can't do it.