All-purpose, running Tim Tebow sucks/is a deity thread!

Sure. And he evidently didn't respond well.

Often, he'd piddle with the football instead of throwing it.

Are you agreeing with me here? Because you keep supporting my points.

 

Jeff Komlo!

Didn't I see him on this thread earlier?

 

And if Tebow were a standard quarterback who was only passing, that would be even worse.

He is not an accurate passer. Has anyone argued otherwise? But he added much to the offense with his legs. And he was a different guy in the fourth quarter. I know people want to apply new baseball methods to every facet of sports, but fourth-quarter quarterbacking is greatly different and style of play is greatly different. Field position matters. Gettingnthose big D-lineman gassed and unable to mount a fourth-quarter rush matters. And long TD throws matter.

They were better with him than they were with the other options. That's indisputable.

 

LTL, until they start making first quarter touchdowns five points and fourth quarter touchdowns six points, then yes first quarter performance matters just as much as fourth quarter performance.

Great quarterbacks typically are great all four quarters. Tebow and Dilfer are both far from great.

And the biggest pile of BS I've heard on the whole defense of Tebow was the shit about wearing defenders out.

Here's a clue -- Three-and-outs don't tire you out. I don't care if they are running the flying wedge ever play. And Denver with Tebow was a 3-and-out machine unlike any other offense in the league.

 

They played very good defense in all of those games. If you can find anyone in all these pages of threads saying otherwise, please post it and we can ridicule them together. They were nowhere near the 2000 Ravens, however. You are greatly overstating Dilfer's impact on those games. Read up.

I think maybe I've figured out what you don't like about Tebow: You're an LSU fanboi and he went to Florida. This would also explain your irrational belief that there was "proof" Alabama wasn't as good as Oklahoma State. You just feared the rematch.

When you came on after the Pittsburgh game and said Tebow was "brutal" except for the touchdowns and other long completions, on a day when he passed for 316 yards and ran for 50 and accounted for three touchdowns, I should have realized you just weren't capable of looking at what was happening and I should have stopped trying. But now the season is over and there isn't much left to say.

Except: There is more than one way to play football and win games.

 

My God, you just do not understand football at all. Here's a hint: Games tend to be close in the fourth quarter in the NFL. And taking the lead with two minutes left, leaving the other team only one desperate chance to take it back, is a much bigger deal than taking the lead with 52 minutes left.

 

P.S. Three-and-outs tired out the Raiders, Jets, Vikings and Bears that I can recall. Check Tebow's fourth-quarter stats in those games, particularly his running stats.

 

Whoa. You are flat wrong. The 2000 Ravens gave up 10.6 points per game. Average the points allowed in the games I listed. What do you get? 10.6? Wow. Just as good as the Ravens. And in a more offensive era.

In all but, what, two of those games (San Diego and the first Kansas City game) they were STILL behind in the fourth quarter.

So yeah, they were bad on offense for most of some games where their defense was playing up to the standards of the 2000 Ravens. That's absolutely the case.

 

2011 Broncos defense = 2000 Ravens defense.

Try to find one person all the world over who agrees with you on that one, or who even entertains the comparison.

 

I think you can make a sincere argument that defense got tired as the season wore on /because/ the Tebow-helmed offense kept it on the field longer than it should have been.

 

Man, Brees must have won Saturday because that first quarter where he throws the picks and they fell behind 17-0 didn't count as much as that fourth quarter where he threw for about 200 yards and a couple of touchdowns.

Oh wait, the first quarter counted and he lost. Who woulda thunk it?

Seriously, Dilfer seemed to manage the fourth quarter just fine in 2000.

Again, I'm not discounting Tebow's fourth quarters. You are discounting a comparable quarterback's complete body of work because it did not include fourth quarter heroics (he didn't need them).

Man, if the fourth quarter was that much more important, why is Dilfer the one with a ring and not Tebow? Seriously.

Dilfer had better statistics, a better W-L record and one more Super Bowl ring to show for his 2000 season in comparison to the 2011 Tebow season. Yet I'm still saying the seasons are comparable. Really, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say Dilfer's season was clearly better.

 

Very amusing to think that if Tebow had done nothing different except choose to go to LSU in 2006, Brian would have spent the last two months on our side of the debate.