All-purpose, running Tim Tebow sucks/is a deity thread!

I Love The Tebow.
BUT

You're comparing Tebow's best day against Elway's worst. Although I believe as great as Elways was, he's over rated. His myth was created before he won a Super Bowl, and when he did, he was part of the team, Not THE Team.

 

I'm not saying Tebow is another Elway. I'm saying the numbers are not conclusive proof that Tebow will never be able to throw the ball well enough to last in the NFL. That was Herb's challenge. There are other similar cases -- Steve Young is one, although that team was just too awful to make the comparisons really relevant. Rich Gannon completed a similar percentage of passes, and had a lower rating, in his first go-round. That's three future league MVPs who had similar numerical starts to their career as Tebow did. Michael Vick is another player whose early numbers are similar.

I am in no way predicting that Tebow will ever be on a short list for MVP. But to throw him out because his passing numbers were at the levels they were this year? A tad premature.

 

And another one: In 1979, his second season, Doug Williams completed 42 percent of his passes, with a 52.5 rating, for a team that finished 10-6 and advanced to the NFC championship game. Doug Williams ended up playing 12 seasons (including his time in the USFL) and won a Super Bowl.

 

and the game is the same in the pass happy year of 2012 as it was in the late 70's and early 80's?

 

As a rookie, Elway took over the controls of a pretty sophisticated offense for the time. They didn't retard the offense to make him fit in. And with different rules for defending the pass. And with different formulas for winning.

These are all false comparisons.

 

I like Tebow a fair amount, but he can't throw for shit. I don't try to compare him to the QBs you are, because despite what the numbers say, he can't throw like they could.

But that's OK. That's not what he does. Can he get better? Sure, but he won't ever be great throwing the ball. It's his other tools that make him unique and make evaluating him using traditional measures a waste of time. I think he can have a long, solid career doing what he does in the right system.

 

Yep.

But to some people it is dishonorable to do anything other than a straight dropback pass.

 

Oh burst!

 

Anchovy, you picked up a bit of a rougher edge as times changed

 

Blame it on Tebow, he's the divider. Let's not kid ourselves, there was never going to be any kind of harmonic convergence on this thread.

 

Some other notable players in their first year as starters:

(For reference purposes, Tebow was 46.5% and 72.9)

Drew Bledsoe, 1993: 49.9% comp, 65.0 rating
Steve McNair, 1997: 52.0% comp, 70.4 rating
Eli Manning, 2004: 48.2% comp, 55.4 rating
Kerry Collins, 1995: 49.4% comp, 61.9 rating

I am sure I can find others, but I think that gets us pretty current and answers the question of whether Tebow's numbers prove that he can't make it and should be given up on forever.

 

We went over that, but the jury disallowed it for whatever reason.