All-purpose, running Tim Tebow sucks/is a deity thread!

Orton could offset Tebow's running by being a more effective passer.

It doesn't make much difference if you gain four yards on first-and-10 with a cut-read option, or four yards with an action pass to a tight end. It doesn't matter if you convert third-and-5 with a draw by Tebow or a six-yard pass by Orton. Both move the chains. Obviously you could have worked Tebow into the game as a wildcat, sort of Kordell Stewart-style. Or, like Tim Tebow as a freshman at Florida. Orton could be Chris Leak.

And there's no doubt that Denver was better at moving the chains with Orton than they were with Tebow.

Orton was 25-for-57 (43 percent) at converting third downs in his time as QB. If done over the course of the season, this would have been seventh in the NFL. With Tebow at QB, they were 26 percent (41-for-157) at third down conversions. Over the course of a full season, this would have made the Broncos the worst in the league, by far. The worst was St. Louis at just under 29 percent. Denver was third worst at 31 percent, but that includes Orton's time as QB.

 

I'm curious, did any of the quarterbacks you are comparing to Tebow become pop culture icons their rookie seasons? Were they being compared to the the best QBs of their time when they had those seasons?

Because that's the objection here. Nobody says he can't become a good QB, although there is reason to doubt it.

 

Because it was utterly idiotic comparing the rookie year of one of the most NFL-ready QBs of the past 30 drafts--somebody teams were falling all over themselves to draft no. 1--to the first mostly full year behind center for Tim freaking Tebow, who might still be waiting to get drafted if not for Baby Douche Josh McDaniels.

I am going to start calling you Franco. This has to be performance art. Just has to be.

 

Elway declares Tebow the starter going into camp.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19753106

It looks like there's plenty of wiggle room, though. Denver has no other quarterbacks under contract, and Elway says they'll look at free agency and the draft. At the least they will have to sign a backup who could reasonably step in if Tebow doesn't improve. Is Hasselbeck under contract for next season?

I don't know if Elway could get away with an outright lie, signing a starter like Flynn and just dismissing his statement of today. Fan base might put him through a Joan Of Arc impression.

 

I think if you read back to the comparison, even you would be able to understand that the point I was responding to was that nobody has ever put up those kind of numbers as a starter and then been considered to have a bright future. Patently false, as Elway and at least eight other quarterbacks show. (Check out the Doug Williams numbers on the previous thread.)

I enjoyed the season. It's really too bad you let all these wacky reasons cloud your judgment. You missed out on a lot of entertaining moments. But enjoy the postseason and the off-season.

Shalom. Go with Allah. Confucius say man with hole in pants feel cocky all day. Choose whichever fictional tag applies to your situation.

 

I could see them being more tolerant of Peyton Manning coming in for a year or two. They like Tebow, but they like titles too, and if they thought he was helping groom Tebow be a more traditional quarterback, they'd be more likely to take that. A young stud free agent would be controversial as hell.

 

I hadn't even thought of Peyton Manning, mostly because I don't think he's ever going to play again, but if he is healthy you are right. That would be a very sensible plan.

 

Here's Denver's dilemma. If they are committed to this offense, they need to sign personnel who fit the offense. It's tougher for them if Tebow gets hurt and they have to scrap the option game and the quarterback runs and go to a more conventional offense.

To me, Philadelphia signing Vince Young to back up Michael Vick was a good move because it allows them to continue to "do what they do" with the backup. The other part of it is, if you are going to commit to a runner, you have to prepare a stable that's at least two deep.

If they sign a conventional passer to come to camp, to me that's a sign that they aren't committed to the offense they ran the second half of the season.

 

That's right, you have to use scarce roster spots to go all in on Tebow. I'm not sure that he's shown enough for that act of faith (other than the water into wine thing).

 

Wow, really? I missed out on a lot of entertaining moments by the QB of an 8-8 team who has a better chance of catching an STD than completing a routine forward pass? You have an odd definition of entertaining.

Unlike you, apparently, I'm old enough to remember QBs who went to the playoffs at 8-8 and unconventional QBs who had brief and unsustainable runs. Bernie Kosar--now there was a guy who made the ugly entertaining. And Kordell Stewart was REALLY fun to watch. You should YouTube him.

 

Liked Kosar. Loved Slash. Guys like that, who just find a way, are always fun. Harbaugh was a lot like that.

I forgot one part of what made this season so entertaining: coming on here and seeing guys like you lose your shit that he did it again.

Or, to put it another way: