All Purpose UFC/MMA/That Kind Of Thing Thread

Re: "60 Minutes" piece on UFC/MMA

From Dave Meltzer...

 

Re: "60 Minutes" piece on UFC/MMA

Sirs, Madames,

This thread conclusively proves that Islam hasn't quite cornered the market on zealots.

I imagine the 60 Minutes Internet views were inflated by a dozen fanboys hypnotized by it, playing it 24/7 while stroking their Chuck Lidell dolls.

If nothing else, UFC is pollution on this site.

YHS, etc

 

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We will not slow its ascendancy, fof.

And they wonder why people think they sound crazy...

But hey, more power. If you want to shell out the cash, knock yourself out.

 

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Sirs, Madames,

"We will not slow its ascendancy, fof."

It's enough to make me reconsider my opposition to figure skating.

YHS, etc

 

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On the other hand this thread makes it appear you've cornered the market on the use of non-sequitors.

 

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As I have proven in every thread we've had about UFC, I'm open to it. If the AP will move coverage, I'll run it. But I'm not going to send a writer to cover the cage fights held in the old National Guard Armory, just as I won't send one to cover the Toughman Contest when it rolls through town.

That being said: if you really think newspaper coverage is irrelevant, then why the Hell are you trying to convince us it's worthy of being covered? If we are really irrelevant, you shouldn't give two shits about this thread or our thoughts on your sport.

I think, deep down, you believe being in the paper still means something. Being in the newspaper legitmizes your sport in a way all the Web sites in the world couldn't.

 

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Couple of quick questions for the board's newest newbies, the defenders of all things Ultimate and Mixed:

- If UFC/MMA is a legitimate and historical expression of a centuries-old tradition of martial arts, as has been expressed here, where are all the Asian combatants, i.e. folks who might actually have some sort of cultural association with it? And why are the Shaolin Wushu artists of the world not queuing up to kick Chuck Lidell's ass?

- In how many other countries - particularly sub-continental Asian countries, where these martial arts techniques arose - do they have an equivalent to UFC/MMA?

- If you're going to argue that UFC/MMA is simply a synthesis of several other disciplines, i.e., boxing, wrestling, karate, jiu-jitsu, whatever - explain to me why you think those sports were separated into discrete disciplines in the first place. A separation which had already occurred by the time of the writing of The Iliad.

- How does the concept of MMA sit with the elders of the disciplines from which it so liberally, if imprecisely, borrows? By taking bits and pieces from these honored traditions, the moves if not the mental disciplines and philosophies, how does it do any honor to the rigors of the original?

- And if the point here, as has been argued, is some sort of cathartic cultural barbarism, why bother with the rules and the gloves at all? Why not just hand a couple of guys a pair of straight razors and lock them in a cage?

 

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Perhaps, but at least I'm nominally operative in the use of the quote function. And you'll note that every question I asked arises from points made in the earlier mega-post by Einar Fridgeirs, from which I now quote:

Is MMA primitive and visceral, perhaps even "barbaric"? Probably. But why is that neccesarily a bad thing? I think it´s a good thing. I think our civilization sure could use a little more barbarity and a little less decadence. Like Renzo put it so eloquently in the 60 minutes piece "A fight is the best thing a man can have in his soul".


I'll assume you didn't actually read his post because you already agree with him.

 

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Oh and as for the Asian fighters, jmgmacg, feel free to google Kazayuki Fujita, Kazushi Sakurbara, Hidehiko Yoshida, Kauzihiro Nakmura, Cung Le, Yuki Kondo, Kazuo Misaki, Denis Kang, Ryo Chonan, Ikuhisa Minowa, Akihiro Gono, Takaknori Gomi, Yushin Okami, Mitsuhiro Ishida, and Shinya Aoki. Other than that, your point about the lack of Asian fighters is well-taken.

 

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Mr Sole,

I'm fighting the temptation to give up my professional interests in all other sports so I can devote my full attention to the most deserving of all sports--and, let's cut to the chase, of all human enterprises, UFC and MMA. Your case is so compelling. You are clearly on the side of the angels. But much as I'd like to, I cannot in good conscience join you in the fight against a vast sports-establishment conspiracy to keep UFC and MMA down. I hear that there was a meeting, chaired by the Boss (Mark Cuban looked after the catering, David Stern took the minutes), where the major power-brokers plotted and schemed--if UFC and MMA are not going to become sports-front-page stuff and the dominant programming on ESPN and everything else, it will require the sum efforts of the most influential and wealthiest individuals in the perspiring arts. I am a contrarian, or so I am told, but I lack the courage and conviction and, I fear, the youth for this holiest of enterprises.

The war to end all sports wars is upon us.

Godspeed, etc

 

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And Godspeed to you too, sir. I just found it ironic that someone who apparently hates MMA to such a degree that they have posted on an MMA thread 10 times rather than simply ignore the thread was accusing others of zealotry.