AMC's The Walking Dead

HC · Mar 13, 2012

bigpern23 said:

Leaving Rick behind was the right decision, but it set Shane on a path to destruction. As time went on, he was willing to go to greater and greater lengths to "protect" himself.

He gave up on Rick (justifiably) and thought of his own survival first (and, tangentially, Lori and Carl's). Then he made the debatable decision to cap Otis (ultimately, it was probably the correct move, but I think he could have simply escaped on his own without shooting Otis to ensure his safety. That was pretty cold). By the time he finally died, he had killed an unarmed man when no imminent threat was present and was willing to kill his best friend.

Each event made it easier for him to slip farther from his humanity and his role in society as a good man and protector of the innocent. In what he viewed as an effort to protect everyone, he became a rabid animal that needed to be put down to protect everyone else's safety.
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Which is pretty much what Dale was warning them all against, wasn't it?

Just_An_SID · Mar 13, 2012

I always questioned the timing from when Rick went into a coma and then came out of it.

Because of everything that happened in the world during that time, at least a week had to pass because you can't go from never having a zombie to the world being over run by them overnight.

And, if a week passed, how long did Rick go without food, etc. When he woke up, the IV in his arm was empty. Had that been put in earlier in the day, the day before or when? If it had been too long, then why wasn't Rick weaker when he woke up?

Armchair_QB · Mar 13, 2012

Versatile said:

Shoeless Joe said:

I loved the early scene in this week's show where they went out on the revenge hunt for Dale and a bunch of them were jolly stomping a zombie. That could be the best shot of the whole series.
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Remember Season One, Episode One, Scene One? That amazing scene where Rick comes upon a young zombie was basically what sucked me into the show. Also in the first episode, the shower scene was wonderful. But the stomping scene last night was pretty incredible, too.

Speaking of S1E1S1, remember Rick's trepidation upon seeing the girl? He thinks it's a living girl and doesn't immediately draw. He's also wearing full cop gear. That makes me wonder if we may have already passed that point in the timeline. On the other hand, Shane isn't in it.
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I took that to be a dream sequence.

Ace · Mar 13, 2012

Just_An_SID said:

I always questioned the timing from when Rick went into a coma and then came out of it.

Because of everything that happened in the world during that time, at least a week had to pass because you can't go from never having a zombie to the world being over run by them overnight.

And, if a week passed, how long did Rick go without food, etc. When he woke up, the IV in his arm was empty. Had that been put in earlier in the day, the day before or when? If it had been too long, then why wasn't Rick weaker when he woke up?
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The series is based on a comic book, er Graphic Novel, and the opening scene in the hospital is a very comic bookish way to get into the series.

In a good way.

Armchair_QB · Mar 13, 2012

Ace said:

Just_An_SID said:

I always questioned the timing from when Rick went into a coma and then came out of it.

Because of everything that happened in the world during that time, at least a week had to pass because you can't go from never having a zombie to the world being over run by them overnight.

And, if a week passed, how long did Rick go without food, etc. When he woke up, the IV in his arm was empty. Had that been put in earlier in the day, the day before or when? If it had been too long, then why wasn't Rick weaker when he woke up?
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The series is based on a comic book, er Graphic Novel, and the opening scene in the hospital is a very comic bookish way to get into the series.

In a good way.
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The movie 28 Days Later uses a similar technique as well, though it isn't the first scene.

spikechiquet · Mar 13, 2012

I'm starting to think we should make a second thread on this show...because it's obvious some of us want to talk about the comic and some don't want to at all.
It's frustrating to want to type something and know that I shouldn't since it would "spoil" something (which it won't since they have obviously veered from the books).
Just my thoughts...I can't not talk about the series without referencing the books...it's not my fault I read this shit before it became a show!

bigpern23 · Mar 13, 2012

spikechiquet said:

I'm starting to think we should make a second thread on this show...because it's obvious some of us want to talk about the comic and some don't want to at all.
It's frustrating to want to type something and know that I shouldn't since it would "spoil" something (which it won't since they have obviously veered from the books).
Just my thoughts...I can't not talk about the series without referencing the books...it's not my fault I read this shit before it became a show!
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It's not a terrible idea, but I'd ask that anyone who joins that thread not be afraid to check in on this one because I enjoy the discussion with everyone (though I like to stay away from the comic spoilers). And with only one episode left this season, it may be a little late for a new thread.

HC said:

bigpern23 said:

Leaving Rick behind was the right decision, but it set Shane on a path to destruction. As time went on, he was willing to go to greater and greater lengths to "protect" himself.

He gave up on Rick (justifiably) and thought of his own survival first (and, tangentially, Lori and Carl's). Then he made the debatable decision to cap Otis (ultimately, it was probably the correct move, but I think he could have simply escaped on his own without shooting Otis to ensure his safety. That was pretty cold). By the time he finally died, he had killed an unarmed man when no imminent threat was present and was willing to kill his best friend.

Each event made it easier for him to slip farther from his humanity and his role in society as a good man and protector of the innocent. In what he viewed as an effort to protect everyone, he became a rabid animal that needed to be put down to protect everyone else's safety.
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Which is pretty much what Dale was warning them all against, wasn't it?
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Exactly. And I think the producers did a great job depicting it with Shane.

outofplace · Mar 13, 2012

spikechiquet said:

I'm starting to think we should make a second thread on this show...because it's obvious some of us want to talk about the comic and some don't want to at all.
It's frustrating to want to type something and know that I shouldn't since it would "spoil" something (which it won't since they have obviously veered from the books).
Just my thoughts...I can't not talk about the series without referencing the books...it's not my fault I read this shit before it became a show!
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I don't mind the comic book spoilers even though I have only read a couple of issues, but Kirkman has said that the show will be following the books quite a bit. Maybe not in specific events, but the overall storyline and key elements. Which is why the season finale should be so much fun.

I do like your idea, though. Why not start a separate thread with comic book spoilers on? bigpern has a point about it being a little late for this season, but I'm sure we will all have a lot to talk about next week and we can always revive both once season 3 begins.

spikechiquet · Mar 13, 2012

New thread begun!

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/89150/

spikechiquet · Mar 13, 2012

NDub said:

Versatile said:

Shoeless Joe said:

I loved the early scene in this week's show where they went out on the revenge hunt for Dale and a bunch of them were jolly stomping a zombie. That could be the best shot of the whole series.
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I was also a big fan of the opening scene in Sunday night's episode. I actually laughed when they were stomping that one walker. I could hear "Still" by Geto Boys playing in my head. Total Office Space-copy machine tribute. Ha ha.
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I was laughing my ass off when that started. I just said "Office Space" and the wife laughed as well. Intentional or not...that was good.
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NDub · Mar 13, 2012

The other thread is a good idea, spikechiquet. It will certainly be tempting to read that thread, though!

spikechiquet · Mar 13, 2012

It's cathartic to speak freely over there! At least now I won't feel like I have to "shut up" when I write something...although, I'll be quite on this thread about comic stuff now! LOL

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