Angels pitcher Nick Adenhart killed in hit-and-run

Check out many of the oh-so-enlightening death penalty threads around here if you really want to have some fun.

I think that it's just people's natural thirst for order in the universe rather than blood. People have difficulty processing something so senseless, so they try to latch onto the idea of "justice" to kind of bring their universe back into order. Same psychology, I think, that causes people to constantly spout that "everything happens for a reason."

I guess I've come to terms with the fact that sometimes senseless tragedies happen, sometimes even completely avoidable tragedies perpetrated by either willfully harmful or negligent humans against other humans. I feel sadness, not anger.

And to answer anyone's question before it comes, I am 100 percent sure that I wouldn't feel any differently if it were my friend or family member.

 

I'm all for revenge. The more barbaric, the better.

Our laws suck dick. This guy is twenty two and has a history of priors. Our laws failed the four people smashed at that intersection.

 

1992 Angels team bus crash on the New Jersey Turnpike also fits the category. Nobody died, but there were lots of injuries, including Manager Buck Rodgers, who had the most severe injuries.

 

I don't disagree with this part. But we have like 4 percent of the world's population and 25 percent of its prison population. Hard to say we aren't a law-and-order society.

I'm more for front-end prevention than back end brutality, which often just creates more hardened criminals than walked into the court room in the first place.

I know this sounds like bleeding heart liberal bullshit, but all I want is to prevent more Nick Adenharts from being killed senselessly in the future. If a daily ass-whoopin' doesn't get us to that point, then I don't have much interest in it.

 

Maybe. But I've been directly affected by several friends who were killed in car accidents, including DUIs, and that doesn't apply. My views have only solidified: I certainly DON'T feel any better knowing jail or death happened to the persons who caused the accidents. In fact, I feel worse that more lives were ruined, even though they were at fault.

It's fascinating psychology, but I don't think I'll ever understand that reaction. Some people say it's a natural human feeling. Seems more inhuman than human, to me.

 

But we have like 4 percent of the world's population and 25 percent of its prison population. Hard to say we aren't a law-and-order society.

I think that says more about the caliber of people in this country than draconian laws, but this really is not the place for that discussion.

 

You would never make it as a muslim then where the origins of their capital punishment system come from the Code of Hammurabi- the eye for an eye guy.

 

Wasn't planning on signing up.

 

I'm not necessarily arguing causation. More like it's not necessarily helping. I don't think we're too light on criminals, overall.

I mean, if this idiot wants to get behind the wheel and speed through a red light, he's going to do it, no matter how many ass kickings he got in prison.

Part of this, callous as it sounds, is the price we pay in this country for our freedoms. Some people are going to be idiots, even at the expense of others. It's a tradeoff.

 

I don't know if it's universal but bars can be sued for damages in certain states if they serve a customer who kills someone in a DUI crash. I don't believe there are any states with criminal penalties though.

 

I would suggest that part of the reason for that statistic is because we are a revenge-seeking society. We want that eye for an eye.

I mean, isn't that at the core of gang existence -- retaliating for real or imagined injurines on one's people?

 

of all the sick things i've read on this board ... you're asking what this means to the angels' pitching staff a few hours after the kid was killed?

my god