Another question for the Fenian gang

Bubbler · Oct 26, 2006

Getting back on topic, what's the initiation for Fen's gang?

dog428 · Oct 26, 2006

Bubbler said:

Getting back on topic, what's the initiation for Fen's gang?
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I'm sorry, but you've been blacklisted.

The gang's leadership has received alarming reports of you being overly friendly with one lyman bostock.

Bubbler · Oct 26, 2006

dog428 said:

Bubbler said:

Getting back on topic, what's the initiation for Fen's gang?
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I'm sorry, but you've been blacklisted.

The gang's leadership has received alarming reports of you being overly friendly with one lyman bostock.
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Damn me and my keeping friends close but enemies closer.

Fenian_Bastard · Oct 26, 2006

Initiation requires nothing more than a check, an envelope and a stamp.
See? Painless.

Football_Bat · Oct 26, 2006

Fenian_Bastard said:

Initiation requires nothing more than a check, an envelope and a stamp.
See? Painless.
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But the paddle and the branding of the left ass cheek is not.

Fenian_Bastard · Oct 26, 2006

Hey, that's not our gig.
Making The Founder Rich is our only creed.

JackS · Oct 26, 2006

The Big Ragu said:

JackS said:

The Big Ragu said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

Argue on the basis of "standing up to the bully," whom we had pretty much crushed in all but name by 2002, and you don't get two votes for this fiasco.
And there were people who weren't just right generally, but who absolutely predicted everything that's gone wrong since. And none of them tok adequate account of the incompetence of the boobs and profiteers who were formulating the policy.
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You're wrong. Saddam had been in the typical American's head for a decade. Most people thought we should have finished the job during the first Gulf War. There was already widespread, built-in support for taking him down. It didn't take a whole lot of convincing.
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I think you're wrong, and that's speaking as someone who the left-wingers here usually shun. I remember one of my co-workers saying that if we invaded Iraq, he'd take to the streets in protest, and I responded that although I don't do street protests, I'm with you in spirit. Once the inspectors were in Iraq, I saw absolutely no point to invading. And then when we toppled the regime so quickly and easily and someone asked me, "What do you think now?" my response was, "Who cares? Where's Osama?"

I think a lot of people mirrored my thoughts. I'm not someone who was prescient enough to predict the lousy aftermath, but I never wanted to go in because I thought there was nothing to gain. And I'm all the more pissed that this has morphed into a "nation building" campaign after George Bush said in the 2000 campaign that he wouldn't do nation building. Why don't the Democrats ever bring up that humongous flip-flop, by the way?
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Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, or didn't have my finger on the pulse of America... But really, all you have to do is look at the opinion polls to see what I am talking about. Last week, according to the CBS News Poll, 41 percent of Americans said Iraq was the right thing to do, 55 percent said we should have stayed out. So sentiment now is firmly against the war. In March 2003, just after the war began, 69 percent (more than 2/3 of Americans) said invading was the right thing to do, and only 25 percent said we should have stayed out.

I am not calling you--or anyone else here--into question, but I really do thing there are a lot of Monday Morning Quarterbacks who have convinced themselves that they were ready to take to the streets in 2003, when they were actually gungho at the time.
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I'm interested...do you have an equivalent poll just *before* we went in? I think some people may have gotten suckered into thinking it was a good idea after the initial success. As I indicated, I was still all about "Where's Osama?" but quite a few may have thought, "Gee, that was easy; I guess getting Saddam out of there is pretty good after all."

But then again, I could be wrong too. I had one friend who is as left as they come on most issues supporting the invasion and insisting WMD would be found. So much for that.

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