BALCO Founder Victor Conte on NPR radio

I read, again, that "grand jury is considering indicting Bonds for perjury" in every story today.
Are they ever going to, you know, DO it?
If they don't, where does that leave anything?

 

No, it is not reasonable to believe Bonds when he says that.

But Conte says Bonds is being honest, and creamora seems to concur, so I'm asking creamora, was Bonds was betrayed by BALCO, or is he a liar?

And if he was betrayed, by BALCO slipping some juice into all that Cream and Clear (or maybe slipped it to Greg Anderson who did the additional slipping to Bonds), why should anyone trust BALCO now?

 

Let's get it straight. Conte said he never gave Bonds steroids and that he had never even discussed steroids with Bonds at any point in time. Bonds did not ever need to take undetectable steroids because players were not tested at the time. In general, sports journalists just don't seem to get it. Bonds has never admitted to taking the clear and the cream. This was simply reported inaccurately by the Chronicle and other journalists have perpetuated this inaccurate information. It's very unlikely that they will indict Bonds. Even if they do, a trial would not start for more than a year. It's time for the feds to shit or get off the pot, period. If they choose to indict, then it will be a war and the feds will certainly know they are in a fight. Novitzky's many illegal activities will become public knowledge and the feds will find themselves is a very difficult position. They don't want to lose after spending tens of millions of dollars. They know that the evidence they have will not meet the beyond a reasonable doubt standard and especially in San Francisco. Bonds will walk whether it be sooner or later.

 

I basically accept everything you wrote here, although I could argue the part about not requiring undetectable steroids.

But that's not my question. BALCO may not have handed Bonds the clear and the cream, but at minimum, BALCO provided them to his trainer. True?

Also, Bonds claims he didn't know the content of the clear and the cream. True?

If both are true, then one of two things is also true:

a) BALCO and Greg Anderson did not disclose to Bonds what those supplements contained, thus causing him to take illegal substances without his knowledge; or

b) Bonds is lying, and BALCO/Anderson took the fall for him.

Any thoughts on this? We're not under oath here, just exploring.

 

Your logic is faulty. Bonds simply said that he was told he was taking flaxseed oil. He also said that more than one of his trainers had rubbed several different colors of cream on him. That's it. It's my understanding that Bonds did use real flaxseed oil. So, how can you possibly jump to the conclusions that you do? You can't. I understand the "If A, then B logic. The problem is that you or nobody else has any credible evidence of A, period. So, you've got nothing but a lot of speculation. The feds knows this and that's why they have not brought an indictment. They will lose with the socalled evidence that they have at this point. The Chronicle reporters had misled the public and other journalists have helped to promote inaccurate information. Bonds will eventually walk, so accept it.

 

Speaking of "shit or get off the pot," personally I'm still waiting for Victor Conte and whoever else to sue the Chronicle and its reporters for the facts they supposedly made up: Greg Anderson's doping calendars, Conte's interviews with the feds, all that good stuff. Perhaps Mr. Conte's lawyers are worried that a civil court will still side with two reporters with impeccable credentials rather than a convicted felon?

 

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The existing evidence goes beyond the simple 'it was flaxseed oil!' defense. Either Bonds knew what he was doing, or he was duped....either he lied or he was lied to.

My original question was whether any competitive athlete would trust BALCO/Conte with his or her body, given the history. I imagine some will. There's a sucker born every minute.

Bonds will walk. I believe that. Not because he's innocent, but because this case is a mess of incestuous alliances and secret pacts that seem to make it impossible for anyone to simply tell the whole truth and nothing but.

 

Bonds will walk because there is no evidence anywhere near a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. Conte told the truth and Marion Jones lied. The obvious question is why are the feds not going after Jones for perjury. Why did USADA not go after Jones for doping based upon her calanders, checks and the testimony of more than one witness with direct knowledge. There is far less evidence against Bonds. There are a lot of unanswered questions. The Game of Shadows says there is slam dunk evidence of doping by Jones. Where is the Jones indictment? The Chronicle reporters will be exposed in due time, but this is certainly not the appropriate forum for it. Fainaru-Wada has some skeletons in the closet and he will be exposed at some point. The government may already have some strong evidence of his wrongdoing. A challenge from people on a message board is not going to bring the truth forward, but Fainaru-Wada may have commited some illegal acts, which he may be held accountable for soon. Stay tuned.

 

Conte simply told the truth about his relationship with Jones and Bonds. He also did it for the right reasons. The world deserved to know the truth about what he knew and he told it with nothing received in return. There was no co-operation and no reduction in sentence in exchange for his telling of the truth. There is zero evidence to suggest otherwise. The Game of Shadows is a book of fiction. Novitzky and Ellerman are collaborators of the fabricated story for money.