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Bank CEO thinks journalist salaries are 'outrageous'

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by MisterCreosote, Feb 29, 2012.

  1. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    On net, do you think they made money or lost money on this deal?
     
  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Have no idea. I do know the junior creditors are suing based on the contention that the deal was "fraudulent conveyance," and that the judge has said there is enough evidence that the suit should be allowed to proceed. So the question would be, why would JP Morgan enter into a deal that it knew would make the debtor immediately insolvent? Hmmmmmmm. If they somehow make money out of this, it's just one more example of a fucked-up system.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I did miss your point.

    The financial services business is very real. If you have ever used a credit card, gotten a mortgage, written a check, had money in a money market account, etc. then you really are familiar with what a company like JP Morgan Chase does. No, it's not iPhones or widgets. But we don't just live in a tangible assets world. Financial services companies are the glue that allow us to do our financial transactions more easily than ever. And that doesn't just apply to consumers, because as I pointed out, JP Morgan is largely abandoning consumer/branch banking, due to the regulatory hurdles that have been thrown up. What they do also allows businesses to operate on a day to day basis. Their services are vital to those operations, and its a pretty profitable business for them.

    As for the Tribune bankruptcy, correct me if I am wrong please (and I may be), but JP Morgan would have been a secured creditor. As a secured creditor they have a security interest over some or all of the Tribune's assets. In another words, as a bank they made a loan in return for collateral.

    I haven't followed what is going on with the Tribune. Have they even finalized terms of that bankruptcy? It's been dragging on for years.

    If they haven't, and JP Morgan is a senior creditor holding secured debt, what makes you say they made a terrible decision?

    They made a business loan. They secured collateral in return. That is the business they are in. Whatever the outcome of a bankruptcy, unlike unsecured creditors and equity holders, they have a claim for everything they are owed and when the assets are divied up, they will be the first paid (in whatever terms the bankruptcy goes through. I am guessing they might accept a debt for equity swap, but I don't know if that is the case).

    Why is a collateral-based loan a terrible decision? Am I missing something?
     
  4. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    I would post about my experiences with Chase, but I'd get hit with a fee.
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Here's a list of banks that have gone out of business:

    http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

    And, we all know about Lehman, REFCO, MF Global, etc.

    Plus, companies like Washington Mutual and Countrywide, etc. would have likely gone out of business if they hadn't been acquired.

    Dimon heads up the biggest bank in the nation. He's grown it bigger, and more profitable. You really don't think that's worth a shit ton of money?

    How many other people do you think could do this job? The list of people who have failed is a lot longer than the list of successful CEOs.

    And, Dimon's experience at Travelers/Citi and Bank One makes him nearly uniquely qualified.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    However you feel about this, Dodd-Frank has made it so they really don't want your business under the conditions they are being forced to operate under. So you may not have to worry about experiences with Chase much longer (or any bank), unless you are OK with never seeing a human, banking only via ATM and computer, and paying up front fees on your checking account to cover the cost they incur from you and to offset the government price-fixed fees set on transactions, such as those for debit car swipes.

    Those were costs you could have avoided in the past, because of the fees they collected from others because of things like overdrafts, bounced checks, etc. that allowed them to give free checking and debit cards at a loss, knowing that people would incur other fees that made up the cost and gave them a profit.
     
  7. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    A paper once paid me with a check that bounced. Chase charged ME $10. Suggestion was to cash it at the bank of the paper next time, as the bank would know if there were sufficient funds. Next time, I did that. The bank charged me $6 because I didn't have an account with them.

    Fuck banks.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not arguing with your frustration, JD.

    But if someone paid me with a check that bounced, I'd be frustrated by my bank sure. I'd also understand that that bounced check costs them, and that they are passing along the costs. They also are tacking on more of a fee, because traditionally that was how they covered the freebies they gave away at a loss, such as free checking, debit cards, etc. So yeah, I'd be pissed that I got hit with a $10 fee.

    But who is responsible? The paper that bounced the check. Was your anger more directed at them? Because they are the ones that owed you $10.
     
  9. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member


    ;D
     
  10. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    I used to have the Warren Buffet quote at the bottom of my page, until Bubs knocked it off. Buffet basically said that there is "class warfare" in this country, only it is caused by the rich and the rich were winning.

    There's always been "Class Warfare" in this country. The difference is, you didn't hear much about it when the wealth inequality was relatively low. But now, it's spread larger than at anytime since the 1920s:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-wealth-and-inequality-in-america-2010-4#the-gap-between-the-top-1-and-everyone-else-hasnt-been-this-bad-since-the-roaring-twenties-1

    There's plenty of other charts on there about the stagnation of wages, growth of CEO compensation with the rest of the workers, etc.

    This atmosphere of "Class Warfare" has grown because Americans are working as hard, if not harder, and they're not getting ahead. They look at their bank accounts shrinking with fees, and see the bankers getting richer for basically doing nothing, and they get pissed.
     
  11. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    Yes. The paper was at fault. Not me. The bank took $10 from me that didn't belong to them. To me, that's stealing. Just because they all do it, it doesn't make it right. I've heard all the justifications. They're bullshit.

    At least there were a few dollars left over for me.
     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    You know who else had a great year in financial services? The mafia. Really outperformed expectations.
     
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