Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

Yeah, probably. I don't think his tush was good enough to merit enshrinement on its own. Now, Smoky Burgess, his ass could get in on its own.

 

Burgess' ass obviously in the top 22 all time.

 

Just behind, so to speak, Bubbler's supple ass.

 

Again, do tell what that standard is, unofficial or not.

Over time, we've had Joe Tinker enshrined with Eddie Plank (1946), Dizzy Dean enshrined with Al Simmons (1953), Waite Hoyt enshrined with Stan Musial (1969), Travis Jackson enshrined with Hank Aaron (1982), and Bill Mazeroski enshrined with Dave Winfield (2001).

Seems to me the only consistent standard is that there is no "standard" in who we collectively consider to be a HALL OF FAMER.

 

Jackson, Hoyt and Mazeroski were among the veteran's committee picks that led to that system being dynamited. Tinker was part of Tinker to Evers to Chance, a big part of baseball lore, from a time when stats maybe had too small a role. Dizzy Dean didn't have bad numbers, and was part of the Gashouse Gang lore.

Most voters accept a standard of a candidate having damn good numbers, but also that player being one of the players whose name helps represent his era. Tho I don't like Kirby Puckett's stats, he clearly belongs because he is one of the top 4-5 players people think of when they look at the 1980s.

I just pray we don't get to a point that we put numbers into a computer and spit out whether someone is a Hall of Famer or not.

 

Fair enough, though I think that's a vague standard that is not accepted by all, esp. in the cases of players with long careers. I just pray voters do consider the numbers before voting in someone like Andre Dawson.

 

"Now enshrined in the Hall of Fame...Manny Mota. Mota...."

 

That time he pinch hit for Pedro Borbon put him over the top.

 

Don't give me your woodwork shit, Dooley.

 

So Todd Helton is a lock for the Hall of Fame, right? He is currently 12th all-time in on-base percentage.

Better yet, where is your campaign for Scrappy Bill Joyce? Sure, he only has 70 home runs among his 970 career hits, but the guy is seventh in MLB history in on-base percentage, right between Rogers Hornsby and Barry Bonds. (He was an infielder in the 1890s, for those who didn't know. I'm assuming that is everybody but maybe buckweaver.)

 

However, Vet committee picks are placed in the same room with the writers' picks. Most people don't care how a guy got in, they just know he is in. That legacy will always be there and shadows every debate of how worthy a guy is.

 

Well, the writers can only worry about what's in front of them now, and not what a misbegotten veterans system wrought. Now, the veterans system is so darn reformed that Marvin Miller, perhaps the most impactful figure in major league history, can't get in