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Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Hank_Scorpio, Nov 27, 2009.

  1. Smasher_Sloan

    Smasher_Sloan Active Member

    Blyleven isn't legitimately great, either.
     
  2. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    Since 1900, Bert Blyleven ranks 5th in career strikeouts, 8th in shutouts, and 17th in wins.


    If he isn't great, who is?
     
  3. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    you're right, he shouldn't be in. Only the simpletons think he should.
     
  4. Old-schoolers have to be hung up on Blyeleven's winning percentage. All those 15-14 type seasons. I will be really interested when Mike Mussina comes up in a few years. To me, he's an early-ballot HOF.

    I think we're going to be having these same debates about Roy Halladay five years from now. He's the Jack Morris of his era.
     
  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I don't see that at all. For one thing, Morris had a 3.90 career ERA. Halladay's is 3.43. Halladay has a Cy Young Award and Morris did not win one. Morris has the big moments in the post-season. Halladay has never pitched in the playoffs. Very different resumes.
     
  6. I'm projecting. He's going to get to the postseason with the Phillies, and his ERA will eventually rise as he declines.
     
  7. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Obviously, things could change, but right now they are very different.
     
  8. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Jack Morris' best ERA+ season: 133

    Roy Halladay has 7 seasons above 140, with a high of 184

    Morris never had a Halladay-like season.
     
  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    For those of us who prefer to stick to statistics that do not include estimations, Morris never had an ERA below 3.00 in his career. His best was 3.05 in 1981. Halladay has been below 3.00 four times, including his career-best 2.41 in 2005.
     
  10. I guess I stand corrected. The comparison was off the top of my head. I don't necessarily think that their careers have been precisely parallel, statistically. I do think that in the casual fan's mind, Halladay will be thought of a little like Morris. That being said, if he can string together three or four more 16-18 win seasons in Philadelphia, and make some postseason noise, he should be in the clear.
     
  11. jagtrader

    jagtrader Active Member

    A lot of pitchers were greater than Blyleven. Longevity- or durability-based statistics are not an exclusive measure of greatness.
     
  12. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Finished top-5 in his league in ERA 7 times.
     
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