Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

He'd put the last shovelfuls of dirt on any chance he ever had to get in.

 

Do you guys want to talk about the past, or do you want to see me hit some dingers?

 

I would rather the existence of the interest groups and inner voting blocs than for the process to devolve into 545 guys heading to Fangraphs to look up each player's WAR or PECOTA.

 

A career ERA under 4 in that stadium and that era was a fucking miracle.

 

Through the late 1980s, Tiger Stadium played as a neutral or pitchers park.

 

it's about the same as Dan Petry

 

And yet his career ERA+, which adjusts for both stadium and era, is just 105. And he topped out at 133. These are the numbers of a pitcher who was above-average but not great. He did it for long enough and had enough key moments for me to say he's a HOFer, but let's be accurate about how good he really was.

I'm honestly not sure what you are talking about here. First, Tiger Stadium played neutral, maybe a slight lean toward a pitcher's park, during the 1980s.

And as for the era, only two seasons that Morris pitched in ranks in the top 34 all-time in the American League ERA list. (1994 and 1987). Morris pitched in a relatively pitcher-friendly era.

 

Yes, and Clemens is first ballot too. Though Bonds has a infinitely better pre-steroid case.

 

Go ahead and suck on those figure-skating-judging-type fake "stats".

Nothing neutral about that park whatsoever.

 

It's a fact that for those seasons, the Tigers scored more runs on the road than they did at home, and opponents averaged more runs at Tiger Stadium than those opponents playing the Tigers on the road.

Those aren't fake stats. Those are reality. You are being willfully, intentionally ignorant because you want what you want to believe to be true.

 

Dan Petry, 11 years with Detroit: 3.94 ERA
Milt Wilcox, 9 years with Detroit: 3.91 ERA
Juan Berenguer, 4 years with Detroit: 3.87 ERA
Dave Rozema, 8 years with Detroit: 3.38 ERA

To be fair, Morris put up a 3.73 ERA when he was with the Tigers. His ERA went up later in his career when he was older (aside from his 3.43 in one year in Minnesota).