Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

The stadium was the majors worst bandbox from the alleys to the corners during Morris' career.

 

Jack Morris career ERA in Tiger Stadium: 3.80.
Career ERA overall: 3.90

That stadium was clearly holding him back...

 

Then someone should have told the players, maybe they would have done a better job of taking advantage of it. Because they didn't.

 

Tiger Stadium... Metrodome.... SkyDome.

All of them shitboxes for pitchers.

BTW... your post reads: "and opponents averaged more runs at Tiger Stadium than those opponents playing the Tigers on the road"

You are getting more accurate the more I read your post.

 

It was a slight hitters park in the very early part of Morris' career. The shift began in 1983 and continued through his leaving in 1990:

Tigers runs at home/on the road
1983: 377/412
1984: 406/423
1985: 386/343
1986: 403/395
1987: 442/454
1988: 328/375
1989: 321/296
1990: 372/378
Total: 3035/3076

Now for Tigers' pitchers runs allowed home/away
1983: 314/365
1984: 295/348
1985: 368/320
1986: 310/404
1987: 338/397
1988: 303/355
1989: 389/427
1990: 399/355
Totals: 2716/2971

So for all Tigers games from 1983 to 1990, there were 5,751 runs scored in Tiger Stadium and 6,047 runs scored away from it with the same teams.

If that's a hitter's stadium, someone should have told the hitters so they could have started actually hitting there.

This right here is why statheads get so testy. Because people cling to beliefs that are provably false.

 

I need to back up a bit here -- been working -- and ask why the hatred for Tony Perez but not for Andre Dawson?
Look at the numbers. The only major difference is Perez drove in 90 or more 11 straight years and Dawson drove in 90 or more only 7 times in his entire career.

 

Darn good question. Dawson is definitely one of the weaker HOF entries in recent years. It doesn't bother me that he got in, but he definitely could have been left out too.

The only difference I see between Dawson and Perez at a glance is that Dawson had an MVP and was on the side of 400 HRs. That's not much difference.

 

tried to bring that up a few pages ago

 

Throw out 1984 (obv. reasons) and 1989, when they sucked on a stick, and see what you have then.

 

Them sucking makes no difference in how the park plays. If you suck, you might score 250 at home and 300 on the road, and if you are good you might score 350 at home and 420 on the road, but the ratios will be roughly the same.

But if you took out those years, the results would be slightly closer but still show fewer runs scored in Tiger Stadium.

 

Hearing Dawson got in while Alomar and Blyleven didn't just made me realize how ridiculous the HOF is. I heard numerous reasons from people who know their stuff about the sport agree and disagree on all three - one of them deserved to be in, all of them, none of them, two of them. It kind of made me realize that the player is who he is, the stats don't change. Delaying one persons entry just makes the people voting look silly.
Maybe there is an "unwritten rule" about HOF voting I'm not aware of - that borderline candidates have to wait until their last year or two of eligibility. That some people feel it is their duty to withhold votes out of respect to better players who weren't unanimous choices. It still looks kind of dumb to an outsider.

 

I'll take your word for it, if that is the usual distribution. I have no proof that it is. None of this is accounting for how the Tigers were built during the time. If they had good pitching staffs then, and I remember them generally having that, then allowing fewer runs at home is going to be a function of that.