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Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Hank_Scorpio, Nov 27, 2009.

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  1. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    Loved Raines, but my enduring memory of him is doing a special on the Expos where Jim Fanning said drugs ruined the Expos best chance to win a World Series.

    BYH, I remember watching that 1987 game on TV. As Raines stepped up in the 10th, my buddy says, "It's destiny. He hits a grand slam." Next pitch: Gone!
     
    Elliotte Friedman, Nov 30, 2009
    #85
  2. friend of the friendless

    friend of the friendless Active Member

    Mr F,

    There's a difference between saying that Raines on drugs cost the Spos a WS and drugs cost them a title. There had to be other significant (or potentially significant) guys who went off the rails. Ellis Valentine for one. I'd be inclined to say: Raines on drugs cost them a championship < drugs cost them a championship < Montreal's nightlife ate them up.

    o-<
     
    friend of the friendless, Nov 30, 2009
    #86
  3. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    Jack Morris.... again, postseason should count greater than regular season.

    Taking three franchises to WS titles, plus one of the greatest games ever pitched, in a game 7.... that should be enough.

    You pitch in Tiger Stadium long enough, your ERA would take a beating.
     
    Simon_Cowbell, Nov 30, 2009
    #87
  4. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    No, postseason should not couont greater than regular season.
    It is about a career...an entire career.
     
    spnited, Nov 30, 2009
    #88
  5. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    Alomar should be a lock. Raines should get in as well. I think Dawson is deserving and Parker is close.

    I've always thought of Jack Morris as a Hall-of-Famer, but that ERA kills him.
     
    Mizzougrad96, Nov 30, 2009
    #89
  6. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    From JoePoz, comparing "Hall of Famer" Jack Morris to ... El Presidente:

     
    buckweaver, Nov 30, 2009
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  7. spnited

    spnited Active Member



    And neither belongs in the Hall of Fame
     
    spnited, Nov 30, 2009
    #91
  8. Double J

    Double J Active Member

    Not necessarily sure the postseason should count for more, but what is indisputable is that Jack Morris was one of the top big-game pitchers of our time and that should absolutely count for something.
     
    Double J, Nov 30, 2009
    #92
  9. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    It should count, and I was taking it into consideration, and I still think he comes up short. He's not Schilling, who has just as many postseason heroics but a better performance record, which makes up for his late start and seasons lost to injury. I think Morris is closer to a modern-day Livian Hernandez - durable, sucked up tons of innings, good in the postseason - than Schilling.
     
    sgreenwell, Nov 30, 2009
    #93
  10. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    Whoa now. I'm as big a Morris downer as there is on this board (hi Simon!), but let's not go saying things we can't take back.
     
    Big Circus, Nov 30, 2009
    #94
  11. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    Yeah, that's a little strong. Morris is more like Andy Pettitte. Does anyone think Andy Pettitte is a Hall-of-Famer?
     
    Steak Snabler, Nov 30, 2009
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  12. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Being a big game pitcher certainly counts for something. But Jack Morris would need about five more WS Game 7 wins to make up for his regular season. And I'm a Big Hall guy who almost always says yes.

    Career ERA+ of 105 doesn't get it done
     
    RickStain, Nov 30, 2009
    #96
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