Baseball scoring question

HandsomeHarley · Apr 12, 2008

This is true. No CS.

As far as the earned-unearned run theory, after thinking about it, here is a similar scenario:

Runner on first. Fly ball to CF. He drops it. He picks it up and throws to second to force out the runner.

In that scenario, you take away the E8 because he got an out. So you should take away the PB because the catcher recorded an out. Both plays are fielders' choices.

Rick Von Sloneker · Apr 13, 2008

HandsomeHarley said:

Bullwinkle said:

I'd score it as a passed ball, and the run is unearned. I don't see how you could score it as a fielder's choice, but maybe I'm wrong. That's a good one. I'm sure opinions will vary.

EDIT: It's way too late to try to read (and understand) the baseball rulebook, but here's something that might help.....

When the catcher recovers the ball after a wild pitch or passed ball on the third strike, and throws out the batter-runner at first base, or tags out the batter-runner, but another runner or runners advance, the official scorer shall score the strikeout, the putout and assists, if any, and credit the advance of the other runner or runners on the play as a fielder’s choice.

I'm not sure I'm seeing the exact situation you are referring to, but this is somewhat close.
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I'm going to interpret the rulebook as this being a fielder's choice.

I was with you on calling it a passed ball until I read the rule. I think the rule makes this pretty clear.

for some reason, i think i could argue stuff like this all nite.
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Jeff Kidd · Apr 13, 2008

Rick Von Sloneker said:

Jeff Kidd said:

Rick Von Sloneker said:

i would think the run is earned no matter what. if you reconstruct the inning without the PB, they're still going to score three runs. so K-fielder's choice, all three earned.
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Rick Von Sloneker said:

i would think the run is earned no matter what. if you reconstruct the inning without the PB, they're still going to score three runs. so K-fielder's choice, all three earned.
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Yes, but you reconstruct the inning without the errors and passed balls, not without the action that led to those scoring decisions. In other words, you don't assume the runner at third would have stayed put had the catcher only caught the ball because the catcher could still have retired the batter-runner at first and avoid being charged with a passed ball. In this case, the runner attempted to advance of his own volition. (The same logic dictates that if an infielder drops an easy pop up but then picks up the ball and throws to first to retire the batter-runner, he's not charged with an error.)

Nonetheless, I'm not 100 percent sure on the scoring of this one, either. Were it my book, I think I would have to go caught stealing/K-fielder's choice since an out was recorded on the play. This would be the basis for making all the runs earned, not the logic that the runner at third would still have been there had the catcher caught the ball.
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i was thinking that if there was no PB at all, the catcher wouldn't have had to make a throw to first at all. it just would have been one out, man on third.

and i think poke is right about it not being a CS.

that said, who knows?
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Rick Von Sloneker said:

Jeff Kidd said:

Rick Von Sloneker said:

i would think the run is earned no matter what. if you reconstruct the inning without the PB, they're still going to score three runs. so K-fielder's choice, all three earned.
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Rick Von Sloneker said:

i would think the run is earned no matter what. if you reconstruct the inning without the PB, they're still going to score three runs. so K-fielder's choice, all three earned.
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Yes, but you reconstruct the inning without the errors and passed balls, not without the action that led to those scoring decisions. In other words, you don't assume the runner at third would have stayed put had the catcher only caught the ball because the catcher could still have retired the batter-runner at first and avoid being charged with a passed ball. In this case, the runner attempted to advance of his own volition. (The same logic dictates that if an infielder drops an easy pop up but then picks up the ball and throws to first to retire the batter-runner, he's not charged with an error.)

Nonetheless, I'm not 100 percent sure on the scoring of this one, either. Were it my book, I think I would have to go caught stealing/K-fielder's choice since an out was recorded on the play. This would be the basis for making all the runs earned, not the logic that the runner at third would still have been there had the catcher caught the ball.
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i was thinking that if there was no PB at all, the catcher wouldn't have had to make a throw to first at all. it just would have been one out, man on third.

and i think poke is right about it not being a CS.

that said, who knows?
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But its not a passed ball if a ball that should have been caught is not. A passed ball is scored if a ball that should have been caught but is not allows a runner to advance. Yes, the batter-runner advanced, but to my thinking, this would be like a trailing runner not getting a stolen base if the lead runner is caught stealing.

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