Basketball box score question

Shots = field goals + rebounds. Steals for one team = turnovers for other team.

The desperation shot most definitely counts as a field goal attempt.

And a touchdown scored on a play during which the ball goes beyond the first down marker is a first down.

 

Oh, and a tip-in is a rebound, a FG and a FGA.

 

This would not be correct, as violations traveling, out-of-bounds and offensive fouls are not steals (but are definitely turnovers on the offense).

However, all turnovers that take place within the court -- e.g., intercepted passes, loose balls recovered by the defense, outright strips, jump balls that result in a change of possession -- are steals. Any violation, out-of-bounds or offensive foul is not a steal.

 

A turnover is a rule violation by an offensive player giving the ball to the other team.

A steal is a defensive player gaining posession of the ball while in possession of the offensive team.

 

1) Steal is a turnover for the other team.
2) SID right, you wrong (according to the official NCAA manual). If it is out of normal shooting range (halfcourt qualifies) and it is seen as an act of desperation (last second would qualify), then it is NOT a shot attempt.

 

1) A steal is not a turnover. A turnover is a rules violation which results in the ball being awarded to the opponent.

2) Then I suppose if it's out of normal shooting range, or in an "act of desperation," we ought not to award points if it goes in, eh??

More complete idiocy requiring officials and/or scorekeepers to use ESP, to determine what a player intended to do, or believed he could do, rather than simply to record what he actually did do.

If you throw the ball toward the hoop in an attempt to make a basket, that's a field-goal attempt.

 

Starman,

Wrong. Steals ARE TURNOVERS. No where in the NCAA stats guide does it appear that turnovers are only rules violation. See page 32. If I take the ball from you, my team is credited with a steal, yours with a turnover.

Per the NCAA statistics manual:

A.R. 1. Allen is holding or dribbling the ball when Brown takes the ball away.
RULING: Charge Allen with a turnover and credit Brown with a steal.

A.R. 2. Allen is dribbling the ball when Brown bats it away to Benton.
RULING: Charge Allen with a turnover and credit Brown with a steal.

A.R. 3. Allen is dribbling the ball when Brown bats the ball away off Allen, sending the ball out of bounds.
RULING: Charge Allen with a turnover and credit Brown with a steal.

In most (possibly all) instances, a turnover is given when your team has the ball and does not end up with a free throw or FG attempt.

Page 6 covers what is not a field-goal attempt.

c) A FGA is not charged if a shot is taken near the expiration of time for a period or for the shot clock, is not made, and it is the statistician’s opinion that the shot was a desperation shot and not a reasonable attempt to make a field goal. One or more of the following factors should exist in order to classify a shot as a desperation shot. The shooter:
(1) Is outside the normal shooting range. A shot from just beyond the three-point line would usually be considered in normal shooting range while a shot at or beyond the division line would be outside normal shooting range.
(2) Uses an abnormal shooting motion, such as an overhand baseball toss.
(3) Rushes or hurries the shot to beat the expiration of time. A shot could be considered rushed or hurried if the shooter tries to control and shoot the ball in the same motion with not enough time to get into a normal shooting position (squared up to the basket).


occasionally,

I would agree that the NBA counts everything as a field-goal attempt (desperation or intented). However, I don't think many NBA teams have SIDs. Therefore, we were talking about college basketball.

 

Then what if there's still time on the clock after he chucks the shot, it hits the rim and somebody else hauls down the ball? No rebound?

 

... Unless the player was in the midst of shooting. Then it becomes a blocked shot, FG attempt and rebound for whichever player's team has the possession arrow.