Beaten by a girl - in the New York Times

I knew someone like this as well ... hard as hell to pin ... he also bragged about how he'd use his "stub" to kick his opponents in the balls (the cup only works so well) which is a nice advantage to have I suppose if you're female.

 

One of my best friends in high school was a hell of a softball pitcher ... she got a scholarship and everything ... my friends and I scrimmaged her team every now and then and even though baseball was my sport I was lucky if I knocked the ball out of the infield .. obviously the ball was different, it's coming at a different angle and the pitcher is closer but she was amazing ... I couldn't do that with years of practice ...

 

My sister played professional basketball and would only practice against guys. I personally saw her play one-on-one against a kid who had signed a couple of 10-day contracts in the NBA and she beat him. He didn't try that hard, since you know, you don't want to embarass the girl and she was up 6-1 before he blinked.
Her constant trash talk was amusing. With her saying, "no wonder you got cut" when she stripped the ball away or went around him on a drive.
Good stuff.
And I grow tired of the if you didn't play, you can't understand. It just shows that those who make it, don't really understand.

 

There's something else to consider in this discussion, and I know we're all progressive, open-minded types who'd NEVER think of this, but let's go ahead and address the 600-pound gorilla on the mats: wrestling looks like sex. Seriously. If you took a dual meet, edited it down to 30 minutes and put some porno music to it, you could make a killing on the gay pedo market (assuming some of you people haven't already done so). I covered a meet recently where the sportsmanship trophy looked like ... how to put this delicately ... like the Heisman trophy dude was having 69 with his twin brother.

The point is there's probably going to be some guys out there who don't feel comfortable being in that environment. And whether we think it's enlightened or not, there's going to be guys who don't want to go 100 percent against girls in a sport that can and will cause injuries. And you and I can look at a girl who suffers a broken arm or collarbone in a match and understand that it's the nature of what they do, but there's still a significant public taboo about guys hurting girls, even if they're both consenting. That's not inconsiderable, and it makes the conversation more than "well if guys are afraid of losing to girls, then they shouldn't lose". Well, it SHOULD, at least.

 

I think the article did a good job of addressing this part of it. You're right, MM. The first time I went to a wrestling meet I wondered why guys would participate in a sport that came across as so homoerotic (especially to teenagers with raging hormones). Of course I see it as a sport and realize that wrestling is one of the oldest sports. But still...

But given this fact, you wonder why more teenage guys don't want girls to wrestle! It may be the closest they get to getting laid. 8)

 

I bet you do.

I'm sure the athletes you cover are just as tired of having to answer questions from reporters who don't get it ... (Mystery Meat's comment on sex was a good example) ... kind of like me when I had to cover a rodeo or two (I root for the animals ) ...

I don't think you have to have played to understand but I think a reporter needs to listen and throw out any presumptions. I've been frustrated with this thread because it's obvious there's a few on here who don't get it and shut out any evidence to the contrary. I hope they don't do that with the people they cover. For the 100th time, wrestling isn't basketball, it isn't softball. Stop comparing them. It's more like boxing in that you're not just out to beat your opponent you're out to hurt the opponent.

Maybe there's a couple of people on here who could full-out box a girl ... that's fine, there's no judgement from me ... I just couldn't ... even if it was Ali's daughter and would easily kick my ass. It's just one of the codes I follow.

 

Um, I've covered plenty of high school wrestling events in my career. And if looked at the trophy I looked at and didn't see how it could look like gay sex, well bully for you, but I happened to do a pretty good story, so you can take your "he doesn't get it" sanctamony, hook it up in a granby roll, pin it, then celebrate by fucking yourself with it.

 

So much for the progressive, open-minded type.

Look dude, don't have a cow. I'll clarify by saying that the sex thing came up all the time and that's what I was talking about - nothing personal but if you want to take it that way then go ahead - It gets old. There's absolutely nothing sexual about wrestling and, I know you don't want to hear it, but if you say otherwise it's obvious you never wrestled.

 

No you don't have it straight but thank you for asking an ignorant question. I swear I just wrote a little while ago that I don't think you had to have played to understand ... let's see ...

Yup. Here it is. Me: I don't think you have to have played to understand but I think a reporter needs to listen and throw out any presumptions.

Thanks for playing. :

 

You told me I don't get it. And if I want to be told I don't get it by people who don't know what I do, then I'll go back to the office.

I didn't say wrestling WAS sexual. I said wrestling LOOKED sexual. Therefore, it's obvious that you don't write for a living, given how completely you misunderstood what someone else wrote. See how that works?

 

re. the original topic.

One of the high schools near here allows girls to play on its boys soccer team. They get as many as six each year. Coach makes sure at least two girls are always on the field at all times. They're usually outside backs or outside mids, but there has been one each of the last few seasons that can hold her own (so to speak).

 

I know what you said. I clarified my statement to say that I was talking about the subject of sex because I was also responding to spup's post. But be mad. That's much more rational.