Believing

True. I suppose we were responding to azom's post.

 

actually, i'm assuming capt. piccard told No. 1 to make it so. sad to inform ya, but it's probably a more valid point than yours.

 

You don't think a question about where it all began is valid? Really?
Where did all of this religion and science stuff come from, anyway?

 

Valid question, and from people, so we're fucked in ever finding out the truth.

 

I didn't mean you insisted for others. I meant in your thought process, you reference the logic of a beginning and an end, then talk about an ultimate that is bound by no rules, and thus, clearly, is not bound by logic.

just wondering how you reconcile that.

And agnostics have at least examined their faith. I'd guess most people who consider themselves religious haven't done that too much. That's not a knock on you, but that's the reality among the people I know who are religious. The believe what they were told to believe as children.

Just as nihilism and existentialism are valid philosophies, so is agnosticism. To try and paint it as a cheap cop-out or an avoidance of thinking is the same kind of closed-minded judgmentalism that Christians are always claiming is applied to them.

 

you don't believe in science chief. stop using science's name in vain.

 

First, I do believe in science. I believe in evolution, even (rare for a fundamentalist Christian, I know).
Secondly, I believe in logic. However, I see no logical problem with a being who is unbound by the laws of this universe. If a man is not bound by gravity when he is off this planet, why must a God who is from another universe be bound by all of the laws of this universe?
Also, I'm not talking about all agnostics. In fact, my stepfather is an agnostic. I know he has actually researched all the major religions and come away unimpressed with each. That's fine.
Finally, I agree that many religious people don't critically question their faith. I have done that time and again. I continue to do that. To me, faith that can't be questioned isn't faith at all. It's just blind belief. That drives me nuts.
I'm trying to have a discussion about what people believe and why. Don't read my questions through a stereotypical filter and you'll see that.
I love to hear what people believe and why. I learn a lot from it.

 

a god? what the hell you getting at there?

are you saying a single god just might encompass all religions?

 

I'm not sure what you think I'm saying there, but I should have said, "A God who isn't from this universe."
I don't believe God is from a different universe, at least not in the sense that we would think of them.
To me, obviously, God is the Christian God, but I think the same logic (or lack of it, to some of you) applies to virtually all deities.

 

Stephen Hawking came up with a term for the beginning: plank lank.

One of the coolest shows I've ever watched, about fractals.

 

I just seems odd to me that you would use logic to get yourself to one point, where you then say, "Hey, all bets are off."

Using the same thought process, a unicorn also could have made the universe on a lark or as a practical joke for the other unicorns, right?

And here's my question to those who think a single deity created the universe whole.

Why did she do it?

 

you getting upitty with me there okie?

i'll bet i forgot more about chrisitanity by the age of 14 than you know to this day.

really, are you really questioning my logic about your supreme being?