Better than the old man

outofplace · Jun 24, 2007

boots said:

jgmacg said:

I have no idea if Jelly Bean was better than Kobe. Certainly a better nickname.

But to assert that Michael Douglas is somehow equal to or greater than his father as either an actor or a movie star is madness, I say! Madness!
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Tell you what, e-mail Ted Silary at the Philadelphia Daily News. He too will probably confirm that COMING OUT OF JOHN BARTRAM HIGH SCHOOL, Jellybean was a better all-around player than Kobe.
And for those who don't know, John Bartram also spawned NBA Hall of Famer Earl "The Pearl" Monroe.

As for Ken Norton Jr. and Ken Norton Sr., it's kind of hard because they played two separate sports. Norton Jr. had some good years in the NFL but wasn't a Hall of Famer. Norton Sr. had some memorable bouts but he never won the big ones. True he busted Ali up but I saw him go against the late great Jimmy Young and he couldn't handle him at all.

Of all the father and son tandems that I have come across, Junior Griffey was the most talented WHO NEVER worked at his craft. I think that's why his body betrayed him after he left Seattle.
And yes, he has always been called Junior and it doesn't both him. I can't say the same for Ken Norton Jr. although since his dad's health has deteriorated, he's come to accept the name with pride.
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And coming out of college, you could make the argument for Grant Hill over his father, too. Injuries just cost him most of his pro career.

I think you have to take all the evidence into account. And when you do that, Kobe Bryant is a better player than his father was. You really think coaching on the pro level was the only difference?

Huggy · Jun 24, 2007

Definitely not Randy Orton.

DanOregon · Jun 25, 2007

Genghis Khan

three_bags_full · Jun 25, 2007

Neither Skip, nor Chip Carray.

Mayfly · Jun 25, 2007

Not Greg Oden's four sons.

boots · Jun 25, 2007

outofplace said:

boots said:

jgmacg said:

I have no idea if Jelly Bean was better than Kobe. Certainly a better nickname.

But to assert that Michael Douglas is somehow equal to or greater than his father as either an actor or a movie star is madness, I say! Madness!
Click to expand...

Tell you what, e-mail Ted Silary at the Philadelphia Daily News. He too will probably confirm that COMING OUT OF JOHN BARTRAM HIGH SCHOOL, Jellybean was a better all-around player than Kobe.
And for those who don't know, John Bartram also spawned NBA Hall of Famer Earl "The Pearl" Monroe.

As for Ken Norton Jr. and Ken Norton Sr., it's kind of hard because they played two separate sports. Norton Jr. had some good years in the NFL but wasn't a Hall of Famer. Norton Sr. had some memorable bouts but he never won the big ones. True he busted Ali up but I saw him go against the late great Jimmy Young and he couldn't handle him at all.

Of all the father and son tandems that I have come across, Junior Griffey was the most talented WHO NEVER worked at his craft. I think that's why his body betrayed him after he left Seattle.
And yes, he has always been called Junior and it doesn't both him. I can't say the same for Ken Norton Jr. although since his dad's health has deteriorated, he's come to accept the name with pride.
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And coming out of college, you could make the argument for Grant Hill over his father, too. Injuries just cost him most of his pro career.

I think you have to take all the evidence into account. And when you do that, Kobe Bryant is a better player than his father was. You really think coaching on the pro level was the only difference?
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Look, I saw both. I am not exaggerating. JB was Magic Johnson before Magic Johnson. The problem was that he was 6-9 and back then, you weren't a guard, you were a forward or small center. Anyone who saw JB as a senior at Bartram and Kobe as a senior at Lower Merion would vouch that I am telling the truth.
For starters, JB played against better competition. The Philadelphia Public League of 1972-73 was loaded with better teams and players than the PIAA of 1995.

XXXX · Jun 25, 2007

pete rose jr.

MertWindu · Jun 25, 2007

Jesus of Nazareth

Buck · Jun 25, 2007

Luke Skywalker

statrat · Jun 25, 2007

Not Pete Rose Jr.

Bob Cook · Jun 25, 2007

digger said:

Two definites: Not Jeremy Schaap, and Not Chris Wallace.
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I wonder if Jeremy Schaap will someday interview Pat Knight, and tell him he's got a long way to go to be as good as his dad.

outofplace · Jun 25, 2007

boots said:

outofplace said:

boots said:

jgmacg said:

I have no idea if Jelly Bean was better than Kobe. Certainly a better nickname.

But to assert that Michael Douglas is somehow equal to or greater than his father as either an actor or a movie star is madness, I say! Madness!
Click to expand...

Tell you what, e-mail Ted Silary at the Philadelphia Daily News. He too will probably confirm that COMING OUT OF JOHN BARTRAM HIGH SCHOOL, Jellybean was a better all-around player than Kobe.
And for those who don't know, John Bartram also spawned NBA Hall of Famer Earl "The Pearl" Monroe.

As for Ken Norton Jr. and Ken Norton Sr., it's kind of hard because they played two separate sports. Norton Jr. had some good years in the NFL but wasn't a Hall of Famer. Norton Sr. had some memorable bouts but he never won the big ones. True he busted Ali up but I saw him go against the late great Jimmy Young and he couldn't handle him at all.

Of all the father and son tandems that I have come across, Junior Griffey was the most talented WHO NEVER worked at his craft. I think that's why his body betrayed him after he left Seattle.
And yes, he has always been called Junior and it doesn't both him. I can't say the same for Ken Norton Jr. although since his dad's health has deteriorated, he's come to accept the name with pride.
Click to expand...

And coming out of college, you could make the argument for Grant Hill over his father, too. Injuries just cost him most of his pro career.

I think you have to take all the evidence into account. And when you do that, Kobe Bryant is a better player than his father was. You really think coaching on the pro level was the only difference?
Click to expand...

Look, I saw both. I am not exaggerating. JB was Magic Johnson before Magic Johnson. The problem was that he was 6-9 and back then, you weren't a guard, you were a forward or small center. Anyone who saw JB as a senior at Bartram and Kobe as a senior at Lower Merion would vouch that I am telling the truth.
For starters, JB played against better competition. The Philadelphia Public League of 1972-73 was loaded with better teams and players than the PIAA of 1995.
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I never said you were making anything up about either Bryant. I'm just saying it is silly to judge them only on what they were in high school when we have their careers after that to judge them on.

Lots of guys are absolute beasts and sure bets for the Hall of Fame in their sport in high school. But that shouldn't outweigh what they do at the professional level. And when it came time to play at the highest level, the younger Bryant is the one that produced.

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