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Tom Petty · Feb 26, 2007

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jason_whitlock said:

Elliotte Friedman said:

Okay, I have another question for Jason.

I understand the fact that your position may have changed between writing the column for the KC Star and writing the column for AOL. But, why didn't you mention that in your AOL column? Why not include a link to/some comments from your original piece?

It's been mentioned here that columnists change their mind. Nothing wrong with that. But, they will reference their original position and explain the change. In a similar future situation, would you reference the previous article?
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Because I didn't change my mind. Because the columns don't contradict. Because the columns ran in two different publications. Because I stand by all three columns and would do the exact same thing the next time. Because I have the right to be human and react to new information.
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i rarely say this about anything this person's posts, but this seems fair enough to me.

Elliotte Friedman · Feb 27, 2007

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Jason,

I certainly agree that you have the right to be human and react to new information. I've been there before, changing/modifying my opinion based on additional facts and conversations. We're not doing our jobs if we don't follow-up/listen to intelligent responses to things we write/say.

But I cannot understand how you can say the Feb. 19th Star column and the AOL column don't contradict. This is not simply a copy editor's mistake. (I thought the AOL piece was excellent, by the way.) In the Star piece, you sounded like you had a good time with your buddies. In the AOL piece, you were angry.

Clearly, the incident in the airline lineup upset you. I'm sure, by that time, you'd also learned more details about the strip club shooting. The story no longer was the fun you had with your friends, but the anger you felt towards fellow blacks. It's not a sign of weakness that you changed your mind. What`s the big deal with saying so?

Also, I think it is an issue that the columns ran in two different publications. We are dealing with a very sophisticated, technologically sound public. Just because one column ran in a newspaper (and its website) and the other was online-only, doesn`t mean one reader can`t find both. Clearly, that`s happened here. People notice the contradictions.

Anyway, I guess we just agree to disagree.

shotglass · Feb 27, 2007

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Witch hunts are so gauche.

Piotr Rasputin · Feb 27, 2007

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JayFarrar said:

Ta da
http://www.cjrdaily.org/behind_the_news/jason_whitlock_had_a_great_tim.php

To be clear, the issue is not what really happened in Vegas but how Whitlock chose to report it -- and the possible perils of columnists with two audiences scooping themselves.
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I think that is a fair point. Whitlock had one column for the Star that said one thing and the AOL column said something completely different.
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Ah . . . .so the issue wasn't the facts. It was his schizophrenic views on the topic.

Whoops.

jason_whitlock · Feb 27, 2007

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EF

In the Star piece I sounded like a guy who made the best of a bad situation and gave Star readers a "family-friendly, sanitized" version of what went on with me and my friends All-Star Weekend. I did it because newspaper standards are different from Internet standards and because at the time I was writing the Star piece I had some reluctance to trash the entire event. So I accenuated the positive and stayed on the positive aspects... Jamie Foxx, Spearmint Rhino, Cafe Martorano. I suggested strongly, in my opinion, that there were problems.

How many of you go to "project house parties"?

I haven't been to one since my aunt moved out of the projects when I was about five years old. NBA All-Star Weekend will probably be the last "project house party" I go to. Now maybe I knew fully what I meant by "project house party" and some of you didn't. I'm willing to acknowledge that.

But the AOL column was a full description of a "project house party."

Mystery solved.

Sportsbruh · Feb 27, 2007

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jason_whitlock said:

EF

In the Star piece I sounded like a guy who made the best of a bad situation and gave Star readers a "family-friendly, sanitized" version of what went on with me and my friends All-Star Weekend. I did it because newspaper standards are different from Internet standards and because at the time I was writing the Star piece I had some reluctance to trash the entire event. So I accenuated the positive and stayed on the positive aspects... Jamie Foxx, Spearmint Rhino, Cafe Martorano. I suggested strongly, in my opinion, that there were problems.

How many of you go to "project house parties"?

I haven't been to one since my aunt moved out of the projects when I was about five years old. NBA All-Star Weekend will probably be the last "project house party" I go to. Now maybe I knew fully what I meant by "project house party" and some of you didn't. I'm willing to acknowledge that.

But the AOL column was a full description of a "project house party."

Mystery solved.
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Black people don't like being around you either.

that's why you so angry at your own race. Face it. HIPHOP IS HERE TO STAY!!!!!

Too bad you were probably the ONLY blackman Vegas that didn't get his groove on. I don't know why?

There were plenty of crystal-meth induced white girls for you to choose from. Many of which were locked up for prostitution. Tell ya what. next time you visit Vegas - Hang out by the police stations. We know how you get down.

Piotr Rasputin · Feb 27, 2007

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Sportsbruh said:

jason_whitlock said:

EF

In the Star piece I sounded like a guy who made the best of a bad situation and gave Star readers a "family-friendly, sanitized" version of what went on with me and my friends All-Star Weekend. I did it because newspaper standards are different from Internet standards and because at the time I was writing the Star piece I had some reluctance to trash the entire event. So I accenuated the positive and stayed on the positive aspects... Jamie Foxx, Spearmint Rhino, Cafe Martorano. I suggested strongly, in my opinion, that there were problems.

How many of you go to "project house parties"?

I haven't been to one since my aunt moved out of the projects when I was about five years old. NBA All-Star Weekend will probably be the last "project house party" I go to. Now maybe I knew fully what I meant by "project house party" and some of you didn't. I'm willing to acknowledge that.

But the AOL column was a full description of a "project house party."

Mystery solved.
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Black people don't like being around you either.

that's why you so angry at your own race. Face it. HIPHOP IS HERE TO STAY!!!!!

Too bad you were probably the ONLY blackman Vegas that didn't get his groove on. I don't know why?

There were plenty of crystal-meth induced white girls for you to choose from. Many of which were locked up for prostitution. Tell ya what. next time you visit Vegas - Hang out by the police stations. We know how you get down.
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I'm attempting to ascertain your point.

JayFarrar · Feb 27, 2007

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Don't bother ... after looking at the columns and reading Whitlock's defense, I'm satisifed.
Sportsruh was the idiot who said it was just black people living well when they shot up a strip club that left one paralyzed.

hockeydaze · Feb 27, 2007

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Boom_70 said:

I think the CJR instead of question Whitlock's integrity should be giving him an award for showing the guts to take unpopular positions in his columns. Some of those positions cost him a gig at ESPN

Look at his body of work in past year:

Barry Bonds - Whitlock has held that MLB was trying to run him out of game so he would not pass Babe Ruth. Knowing what we do now theory seems more plausible

Duke Lacrosse - Whitlock tells us that Duke players were being railroaded - turns out he was right

Michael Irvin - Whitlock accuses him of "bojangling "

Mike Lupica- Whitlock would not fall in lockstep with Luppy on steroids in baseball and lost his gig on sports reporters.

Whitlock has proved that he is willing to take unpopular stands because he believes them -that is intellectual honesty.
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Please. Unpopular stands? He should get an award from CJR? What are you smoking.
Rhoden takes unpopular stands and get skewered here. Stephen A. has a rep for having guts. He's blasted here. Once again, my main issue with Whitlock is he forces the issue. It doesn't seem natural but contrived. Not gutsy or "intellectual honesty." And then he comes in here and posts self-serving stuff. His showdown with Lupica had to do with two inflated ego. Nothing more, nothing less. Now, I'll give Whitlock credit for self-promotion. He's an average columnist. Most of his columns are not well-written -- they seem thrown together on deadline. But the reaction he causes is astounding.

dooley_womack1 · Feb 27, 2007

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H-Daze....he posts under his real name, discusses his work and knows how to push buttons. That's all it takes. Nothing particularly dextrous here.

Boom_70 · Feb 27, 2007

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jason_whitlock said:

EF

In the Star piece I sounded like a guy who made the best of a bad situation and gave Star readers a "family-friendly, sanitized" version of what went on with me and my friends All-Star Weekend. I did it because newspaper standards are different from Internet standards and because at the time I was writing the Star piece I had some reluctance to trash the entire event. So I accenuated the positive and stayed on the positive aspects... Jamie Foxx, Spearmint Rhino, Cafe Martorano. I suggested strongly, in my opinion, that there were problems.

How many of you go to "project house parties"?

I haven't been to one since my aunt moved out of the projects when I was about five years old. NBA All-Star Weekend will probably be the last "project house party" I go to. Now maybe I knew fully what I meant by "project house party" and some of you didn't. I'm willing to acknowledge that.

But the AOL column was a full description of a "project house party."

Mystery solved.
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Whitlock - how does writing about going to a gentlemen's club qualify as "family-friendly, sanitized"?

Simon_Cowbell · Feb 27, 2007

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outofplace said:

Boom_70 said:

I think the CJR instead of question Whitlock's integrity should be giving him an award for showing the guts to take unpopular positions in his columns. Some of those positions cost him a gig at ESPN

Look at his body of work in past year:

Barry Bonds - Whitlock has held that MLB was trying to run him out of game so he would not pass Babe Ruth. Knowing what we do now theory seems more plausible

Duke Lacrosse - Whitlock tells us that Duke players were being railroaded - turns out he was right

Michael Irvin - Whitlock accuses him of "bojangling "

Mike Lupica- Whitlock would not fall in lockstep with Luppy on steroids in baseball and lost his gig on sports reporters.

Whitlock has proved that he is willing to take unpopular stands because he believes them -that is intellectual honesty.
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The stuff about not wanting Bonds to pass Ruth is still bullshit. If anything, baseball wants to keep him from passing Hank Aaron. Think about what Aaron means to Bud Selig.

Of course, that takes race out of the equation, doesn't it?
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The Ruth crap was the most stupid assertion I have ever seen Whitlock make. Especially after it was revealed that he had no idea the HR record is actually held by a black man.

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