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Bill Simmons smites Scoop about the head...

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by jason_whitlock, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Re: Columbia Journalism Review plans Whitlock attack....

    Araton's column was ridiculous. OK, you didn't leave your hotel without a car service taking you to another media event and if there weren't any incidents by the time you were in your hotel room having cookies and milk they didn't really happen.
     
  2. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Re: All-Star Weekend fallout....

    Even more ridiculous if you read his book " Crashing The Borders- How Basketball Won the World But Lost its Soul at Home"

    In book Araton talks of gansta imagery and hip hop culture as part of reason for the NBA loss of popularity in the United States.

    This column is completly inconsisant with premis of Araton book. One can only conclude that he is carrying the water for David Stern on this one.
     
  3. Re: All-Star Weekend fallout....

    Boom, you think the CJR will talk about the inconsistency of Araton's column and the book?

    Can you get me some excerpts from that book? Do you have it?
     
  4. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Re: All-Star Weekend fallout....

    Yes - you are even quoted in book

    In relation to Piston / Pacer fight he writes "Condemnation of NBA hip hop milieu were widespread by white and black sportswriters alike. Michal Wilbon. Shaun Powell Bryan Burwell and Jason Whitlock -- all highly respected and African American railed against some black NBA players for confusing upscale basketball crowds with audiences for rap. Whitlock warned that if their priorities didn't change, they'd find themselves preening for a few measly bucks on a street ball tour."
     
  5. Re: All-Star Weekend fallout, including CJR, Billy Hunter questions N.O. ASW.....

    OK, so now Harvey Araton is a water-carrier for the NBA?
    Jesus, I'd hate to see what you'd say about him on AOL, where the stardards are different and truth, apparently, is fluid.
     
  6. Shaggy

    Shaggy Guest

    Re: All-Star Weekend fallout, including CJR, Billy Hunter questions N.O. ASW....

    I think Whitlock has had trouble juggling his jobs before. This is second-hand, but a buddy told me that Matt Millen went on some racist tirade at Johnny Morton after a Chiefs game a few years back. One of Whitlock's co-workers at his radio station overheard it and told Whitlock about it. For some reason, not one peep was made of it on the radio postgame show. Instead, it showed up under a Whitlock byline in the next day's paper.

    Again, that might be a little wrong, but it does raise an interesting point of many crossover journalists (not just Whitlock) being forced to choose between mediums, and seeing which one they choose. It's not all cut and dried. I think this Vegas stuff is another example.

    If you treat Internet and newspapers with such different standards, and put easily the better column of the two on the Internet, than yes, newspapers are ultimately doomed.
     
  7. writeon

    writeon New Member

    Re: All-Star Weekend fallout, including CJR, Billy Hunter questions N.O. ASW.....

    I don't normally post here and i haven't read araton's column because i don't read or like the times sports section. but i was given his book as a gift last year...and the portrayal of it as hip-hop bashing is just plain wrong. the main premise of the book is that there are much deeper reasons for the nba image issues, primarily the manipulation of players from aau and especially into the college system that has distorted the american developmental system. the book is more of an anti-corporate rant than anything and, in fact, right after he mentions whitlock, he goes on to say that "basketball players, generally speaking, are the easiest targets of the sports police."
     
  8. Re: All-Star Weekend fallout, including CJR, Billy Hunter questions N.O. ASW.....

    Shag, true story. Millen's rant was homophobic, not racist.

    And it did appear in my column before it was aired on radio. And that was my choice.

    Our postgame radio show had few listeners compared to two other stations. My call was the radio station and the reporter would get more pub in a news story in the KC Star than having it as an exclusive for 5 minutes on a radio show that no one listens to. It was an 8-inch news story. And Rhonda Moss, the reporter, landed on radio stations all over the country talking about it. There was no audio of the clip. It was basically her word... and then we, The Star, got an official apology/explanation from the Lions late at night.
     
  9. Re: All-Star Weekend fallout, including CJR, Billy Hunter questions N.O. ASW.....

    "I don't know. I'm not a research analyst on Vegas," Whitlock shouted. "Call someone from Vegas if you want the stats." As the interview came to a close, Whitlock repeated, "I don't need any stats or numbers to know what I experienced."
    (from CJR)

    Are you quoted accurately here?
    Did you "call someone from Vegas" for the stats?
     
  10. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Re: All-Star Weekend fallout, including CJR, Billy Hunter questions N.O. ASW.....

    I would agree with you to a point that Araton mentions a bunch of other reasons for NBA image problems but he clearly mentions immature and thugish behavior of some of players as one of key reasons.

    Certainly what has happened since book was first published has leant further credence to that premis.
     
  11. Re: All-Star Weekend fallout, including CJR, Billy Hunter questions N.O. ASW.....

    FB, I no longer take you serious. Putting you in a corner alongside Tom Petty and Sportsbruh. You're just playing a game trying to provoke me for chuckles.

    We'll always have the memories!
     
  12. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Re: All-Star Weekend fallout, including CJR, Billy Hunter questions N.O. ASW.....

    FWIW, Rick Reilly was just on Dan Patrick's radio show talking about how bad Vegas was. Just heard the tailend of it.

    Mark Cuban is up next to discuss the weekend in Vegas.
     
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