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JayFarrar · Feb 28, 2007

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jgmacg said:

"verses"?
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And the choir went...
I did my best, it wasn't much
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
And even though
It all went wrong
I'll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah

jgamcg has his posters, I have random music lyrics.

Ace · Feb 28, 2007

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What a load of self-serving, genuflecting crap.

I do agree with this part, though:

But that's not the issue. That's not where the irresponsibility lies. The irresponsibility lies with those writers and broadcast hosts who failed to do diligent research before they typed a word or opened their mouths.
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How much research did you do, Scooper? Seems like your first column you researched hanging out breathlessly with your heroes. This column seems like you read a couple papers and reacted. Is that what you would call diligent?

Boom_70 · Feb 28, 2007

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Fenian_Bastard said:

Some historical perspective:
1) The glorification of violence and of criminals in American pop culture -- white and black and everything in between -- is not new. Netiher are the debates about it. Please consult "Puzo, Mario," "Coppola, Francis," and "Scorsese, Martin." Whitey Bulger was a hero and a role model to a great number of poor souls in Boston. It goes back at least as far as the renegade blues of the beginning of the last century. Hell, it goes back to Jesse James and Quantrill's Raiders. That it is magnified and intensified in this case by the immediacy of the modern media is the only thing that's new.
2) As far as I know, cornrows date back long before the events described in the column. Ebonics --which is in no way a language -- emerged, not from prison culture, but from some misguided educational theory that sought to teach in a patois that's primarily a result of Southern syntax and northern vocabulary. That manner of speech already existed at the time the events under discussion occurred.
3) The "black KKK" business remains an offense against history, and is somewhat embarrassing to read in a column that pleads for an honest accounting of the effect of cultural influence.
Still, a better column. As for the ongoing discussion that's lined up between JW and sportsbruh, and Jamele, and the other black folks on the board, I'll cite, as I usually do, the late Adam Clayton Powell, who once warned, "Beware Greeks bearing gifts, colored people looking for a loan, and white men who Understand The Negro" and simply observe.
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At least the mob had better music. I'll put Frank Sinatra up against any gansta rapper any day.

dooley_womack1 · Feb 28, 2007

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Interesting Scoop column. Why he thinks the NHL All-Star weekend has any validity as a basis of comparison is way beyond me. I doubt that game has any cache or strong symbolic meaning of any kind for anybody.

shotglass · Feb 28, 2007

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Ellis Redding said:

the "hip-hop thugs and their baby mammas" (code: young black people)
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That's what he wants to believe, and that's really sad. There are plenty of young black people in America who aren't into gangbanging.

J_W identified a group. Scoop just took it upon himself to open that definition up to an entire race.

Boom_70 · Feb 28, 2007

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Scoop's column has given me an idea. I've spoken with the boys over on the NASCAR thread and they agree as well. The Gangbangers need a summer event to go with their winter convention at NBA All Star Weekend.

I am suggesting that NASCAR open the gates to the gangbangers for the Coca Cola 600 on May 27. This is a win win situation. NASCAR has been looking for ways to promote diversity and the gangbangers need a venue for warm weather gathering.

Fenian_Bastard · Feb 28, 2007

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Nice, Boom.
I'm sure the 9000 Confederate flags that wave at the average NASCAR race -- talk about symbols of violence --will add a certain je ne sais quoi to the proceedings.

Boom_70 · Feb 28, 2007

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Fenian_Bastard said:

Nice, Boom.
I'm sure the 9000 Confederate flags that wave at the average NASCAR race -- talk about symbols of violence --will add a certain je ne sais quoi to the proceedings.
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What ?? I thought that NASCAR no longer allowed the display of confederate flags at their events.

Ace · Feb 28, 2007

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Boom_70 said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

Nice, Boom.
I'm sure the 9000 Confederate flags that wave at the average NASCAR race -- talk about symbols of violence --will add a certain je ne sais quoi to the proceedings.
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What ?? I thought that NASCAR no longer allowed the display of confederate flags at their events.
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I'm pretty sure the 1861 car driven by Robert E. Lee has a confederate flag decal.

Boom_70 · Feb 28, 2007

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Ace said:

Boom_70 said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

Nice, Boom.
I'm sure the 9000 Confederate flags that wave at the average NASCAR race -- talk about symbols of violence --will add a certain je ne sais quoi to the proceedings.
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What ?? I thought that NASCAR no longer allowed the display of confederate flags at their events.
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I'm pretty sure the 1861 car driven by Robert E. Lee has a confederate flag decal.
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It used to.In recent movie I did not notice one.

da el g · Feb 28, 2007

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Boom_70 said:

Scoop's column has given me an idea. I've spoken with the boys over on the NASCAR thread and they agree as well. The Gangbangers need a summer event to go with their winter convention at NBA All Star Weekend.

I am suggesting that NASCAR open the gates to the gangbangers for the Coca Cola 600 on May 27. This is a win win situation. NASCAR has been looking for ways to promote diversity and the gangbangers need a venue for warm weather gathering.
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naah, you just have to do it in Talladega

Boom_70 · Feb 28, 2007

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da el g said:

Boom_70 said:

Scoop's column has given me an idea. I've spoken with the boys over on the NASCAR thread and they agree as well. The Gangbangers need a summer event to go with their winter convention at NBA All Star Weekend.

I am suggesting that NASCAR open the gates to the gangbangers for the Coca Cola 600 on May 27. This is a win win situation. NASCAR has been looking for ways to promote diversity and the gangbangers need a venue for warm weather gathering.
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naah, you just have to do it in Talladega
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Thought about that and the problem is that race is run Oct 7 -its too late in the year.

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