Bob Knight slaps player ...

MertWindu · Nov 16, 2006

Double Down said:

MertWindu said:

How much of this is just the media and the sporting public assuming that it's time for another round of "Bobby Knight is a Jackass" without really looking at it?
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Obviously a lot of it is about the media needing to fill hours and hours of airtime. A majority of it, maybe. But again, for some of us, this is about Knight not knowing, or caring, where the line is. If we have a SportsJournalists.com retreat, and I walk up slap Fenian in the face, and it turns out I have a history of this kind of behavior, it doesn't matter afterward if Fenian says it's ok and that he thinks my heart is in the right place. (Privately, he might be terrified to say anything different. I'm a large fella.) It doesn't matter if I was only being playful, and thought he'd think it was a big joke. I still have a history of a history of doing this kind of shit, and I no longer understand the difference between flicking his ear and choking him to get my point across. By having a history of doing much worse, I've forfeited the right to have these minor incidents examined individually.

It's sort of like being on parole for armed robbery. Even if all that shit happened in another state, and it feels like a long time ago, and all I did was flunk a drug test, or miss a parole hearing, I'm still probably going to jail. Why? The past matters. If Bill Self, Ben Howland or Jay Wright flunks a drug test (stay with me on the parole analogy here; this is not literal), of course it's not as big of an issue. That's because they didn't rob someone with a gun -- or throw a chair, or punch a cop, or smash a vase against the wall right above a secretary's head.

So yes, it was minor.

Yes, it was overblown by a network with little shame and virtually no ethics.

And yes, it still matters.
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Well put, DD. I'm still not sure Knight should be raked over the coals for this one, but you put the raking crowd's opinion in pretty coherent intelligence there. I still don't think what Knight did was a "slap," but whatever.

Fenian_Bastard · Nov 16, 2006

DD -
I'm OK with it.
My father's pretty pissed, though, and he's coming back from the dead to kick yer ass, hoser!

Columbo · Nov 16, 2006

MertWindu said:

might be repeating here (don't care), and might not actually be making a point (still don't care), but if Krzyzewski or Bill Self or Rick Barnes or Jay Wright does this, it's a non-starter at best, and goes to bed fast at worst.
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If it is Coach K, it is a BIGGER story.

scribeinwiscy · Nov 16, 2006

Columbo said:

MertWindu said:

might be repeating here (don't care), and might not actually be making a point (still don't care), but if Krzyzewski or Bill Self or Rick Barnes or Jay Wright does this, it's a non-starter at best, and goes to bed fast at worst.
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If it is Coach K, it is a BIGGER story.
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What if Coack K slapped one of those lying strippers? How big???

Piotr Rasputin · Nov 16, 2006

Fenian_Bastard said:

Junkie said:

Fenian, he's not a sociopath. He's a disciplinarian in a country where kids -- ages 3-23 -- run wild because they have no discipline. Kids fear nothing because there is no recourse for anything and they know it. Knight essentially wields the hickory stick that many feared a generation ago. Nobody has that fear anymore.

Should Knight send a kid to "time out" in the corner and take the remote control away for 15 minutes? Or the computer keyboard? Knight is an a-hole but he has never physically harmed anybody and he's always gotten results.
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He is about 10 feet away from an assault-with-a-deadly complaint when he fired the vase over his secretary's head. He has physically assaulted his own players at TWO schools now, and he probably did it at Army, too, before anyone was watching. He has attacked fans and/or civilians on at least two occasions. He has made "ha-ha-" jokes about rape and about whipping his black players. He's not someone standing athwart the permissive society or whatever the hell trope it is now that gets the cultural-warriors through the night. He's a sociopath, and he will do something worse.
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Clarification required:

The rape comment was in response to a Connie Chung question regarding his treatment by the media. "If rape is inevitable, you might as well lay back and enjoy it." An idiotic analogy, to be sure. But far from a "ha-ha" joke.

The whip was a gift from his players. He was pictured jokingly wielding it against three of his players, one of whom was a white guy.

Not an apologist. I respect his coaching, and am amused at this latest incident; the man never learns. And it is fitting that he has to coach out the string of his career in a hoops backwater like Texas Tech rather than a legenadry place like Indiana.

But it is also important for one's facts to be straight when ripping or praising a man. Especially when bandying about words like "sociopath." I just happen to think he's an asshole. No need for further diagnosis.

Fenian_Bastard · Nov 16, 2006

Piotr Rasputin said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

Junkie said:

Fenian, he's not a sociopath. He's a disciplinarian in a country where kids -- ages 3-23 -- run wild because they have no discipline. Kids fear nothing because there is no recourse for anything and they know it. Knight essentially wields the hickory stick that many feared a generation ago. Nobody has that fear anymore.

Should Knight send a kid to "time out" in the corner and take the remote control away for 15 minutes? Or the computer keyboard? Knight is an a-hole but he has never physically harmed anybody and he's always gotten results.
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He is about 10 feet away from an assault-with-a-deadly complaint when he fired the vase over his secretary's head. He has physically assaulted his own players at TWO schools now, and he probably did it at Army, too, before anyone was watching. He has attacked fans and/or civilians on at least two occasions. He has made "ha-ha-" jokes about rape and about whipping his black players. He's not someone standing athwart the permissive society or whatever the hell trope it is now that gets the cultural-warriors through the night. He's a sociopath, and he will do something worse.
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Clarification required:

The rape comment was in response to a Connie Chung question regarding his treatment by the media. "If rape is inevitable, you might as well lay back and enjoy it." An idiotic analogy, to be sure. But far from a "ha-ha" joke.

The whip was a gift from his players. He was pictured jokingly wielding it against three of his players, one of whom was a white guy.

Not an apologist. I respect his coaching, and am amused at this latest incident; the man never learns. And it is fitting that he has to coach out the string of his career in a hoops backwater like Texas Tech rather than a legenadry place like Indiana.

But it is also important for one's facts to be straight when ripping or praising a man. Especially when bandying about words like "sociopath." I just happen to think he's an asshole. No need for further diagnosis.
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Well, there are some hairsplitting there. The rape comment is what passes for a joke among sociopaths.

Columbo · Nov 17, 2006

Let's make one thing very clear.

Any coach who has gotten a DUI has endangered people in a more serious manner than Bobby Knight ever has.

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