Bonafide Baseball Hall of Famers

I think that's the point. The story was originally presented as though he could do either at will. That's all I was arguing against.

 

That's not how I read it. I read it as Cobb saying he could hit home runs like Ruth, keeping to himself the part where his average would drop considerably.

 

You should be able to support that with MVP voting, correct?

 

Top 5 finishes: four in his first five seasons (including one win) and six out of 12.

 

Late to the party here, but I'd like to chime in on some of those 80s guys. I really would like to see the voters show more love toward guys like Dale Murphy, Andre Dawson and guys of that era. I feel like if those guys had played a few decades earlier, they would have been more likely to get in. But they played in such a dead ball era, which has been followed by so many ridiculous years of high home runs and such.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Murphy and Dawson were the only players to hit 300 home runs during the 1980s. And in Murphy's case, he won back-to-back MVPs and spent most of the decade playing for a shitful Braves team. If he had played on a better team with more protection in the lineup, I'd have to think his batting average would have been better.

 

murphy had just five hof-calibre seasons. you can look it up. that won't ever get it done. see: mattingly, don.

koufax is the only man i can think of who is in on the strength of five or six seasons. those seasons were off-the-charts awesome, though.

 

Didn't say he'd get in. Just said some of those guys should get more credit for that era (although personally I'd really like to see Murph in)

 

"more credit?" how? you either in or you don't. if you don't and also don't have the numbers to make a case there's zero reason to be discussed. pretty simple, really.

 

This may have come up already, but Glavine actually won two Cy Young Awards (1991 and 1998).

 

Dawson gets in next year.

 

not really deadball, just maybe a little bit more good pitching. there were a few dominant power hitters whose careers ended in the late 80s, like reggie, rice and schmidt. if you take a 10-year period from mid 70s to mid 80s those guys would have 300. they just got old before the late 80s.

 

Not even in the same park as Mike S., but who was?

And I'll still take, Schmidt, Brett, Jackson, Stargell, Murray, Henderson, Carter, Bench, Smith, Yount, Molitor, Morgan, Winfield, Carew, Rose, Brock and possibly Trammell, Dawson and Munson before Rice. And I'm sure I'm missing somebody. Rice is more Boog Powell than he is Mike Schmidt.

Not quite as good as Mizzougrad would have us believe.