Bonafide Baseball Hall of Famers

I don't have a vote, drip, so I don't have to lets bygones ...
I'm just saying Raffy is never getting in despite the numbers because he not only used roids (proven, as opposed to speculation on so many others) and made a fool of himself with an adamant Nationally televised denial.

 

I'm not comparing him to The Hammer. What I am comparing is that they both put up consistent numbers. That's fact. Nothing absurd about it.

 

In a way, Cal Ripken was a lot like Buddy Biancalana.

 

In a way, I can see that.

 

So, you want to eliminate him because he acted like a jackass? Lots of guys to eliminate then.

 

When and if the day comes when we start giving roiders a pass, Raffy won't even be close to first in line. If he gets in on the first ballot, I'll eat my hat.

 

I agree with Arnold, although I also believe the steroid guys will start getting in sooner rather than later-as soon as Bonds is eligible, in fact.

 

MGee,

You think Bonds gets in on first ballot?

 

Maybe you can explain that?

 

There's very little chance, let me tell you.

 

I didn't say Murphy had no protection. I just pointed out that Ron Gant didn't provide it. The Braves in the mid-to-late 80s were flat-out awful. When you start throwing up names like Ozzie Smith (who hit almost all those home runs before the All-Star Break) and Lonnie Smith as examples of the great protection Murphy had, it kind of lessens the argument, in my view. As for Bob Horner, all I remember about him (other than the four-homer game and the fight with San Diego in 1984) is that it always seemed like he was hurt.

Unfortunately for Murph, the stats are what they are. He was a great guy, but 398 homers aren't going to get it done. Doubt the number would have been in higher in the steroid era, because I can't imagine he would have been using.

 

I will now point out the obligatory "statheads have found no evidence that protection makes a significant difference on a player's hitting. A small increase in walks and a small decrease in power, but not much."

Carry on.