Bonafide Baseball Hall of Famers

To answer the earlier question, yes, I think Bonds will be elected on the first ballot. I have heard or seen or read too many voters say they will vote for him to think otherwise.

 

Agreed. Completely.

 

Of course. But around here, the need to evaluate individual comments w/broad personal agendas is a life requirement. We go on . . .

 

at the top of their games, alomar was better than biggio. even with his dropoff, he is
better. he doesn't have 3,000 hits, but alomar
was

.300 avg, 210 hr, 1134 rbi, 1508 runs 474 sb .814 ops in 2379 games

Biggio .281, 291 hr, 1175 rbi 1844 runs 414 sb .796 ops in 2850 games


although he had more chances, alomar also was much better in the postseason

 

Yep. Two World Series runs in which he played huge parts should definitely help grease the rails for Robbie to get to Cooperstown, hopefully next year. He hit .423 and a monumental home run in the '92 ALCS (he was named series MVP) and hit .480 in the '93 WS.

Not to mention 10 Gold Gloves, 12 all-star selections and four Silver Slugger Awards.

 

I just think it's funny that, for all of Cobb's posturing, Ruth still ended up with a pretty fucking stellar .342 lifetime batting average.

It's not like he was a Reggie Jackson who could hit the ball a ton but batted .262 for his career and reached .300 only one time (.2996, actually, but it counts).

 

Or possibly Cobb just got lucky one day, hit the three homers and claimed he could do it all the time, but didn't want to. And because he was Cobb the story became "truth" over the decades.

 

Not that any player can realistically hit home runs any time he wants, but there's a short list of guys who could probably do just about anything they set out to do on a baseball field -- and Cobb's on it.

But if Cobb did "just get lucky one day" ... how do you account for him hitting two homers the very next day after his 3-HR outburst?

 

Steroids?? Kidding.
I see your point, Buck. Cobb was impressive and the best hitter of the first 20 years of the century and if anyone could do it, he was on the short list. But just can't help to think it was a fluke and Cobb ran with it. Then the "Gee, aint that great" writers of that day latched onto the idea and it became fact. Kind of like the story of the called shot, the trembling pirates in the 1927 series and Honus Wagner throwing pebbles to firstbase because he scooped the ball so well.

Also, he was playing the Browns on the first day. Starter was Joe Bush and a 5.09 ERA on the season. The third homer likely came off Elam Vangilder and a 4.09 ERA on the season. In the second game, he hit one off a rookie named Chet Falk with an 8.28 ERA on the season.

 

Buck, perhaps you can give us a reason why Shoeless Joe should be in the hall.

 

.356. Next?

 

In a way, Shoeless Joe is a lot like Rafael Palmeiro.