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Bonds, the HR chase & the race issue

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by EStreetJoe, May 7, 2007.

  1. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Again...the proof that any of the information was false? Sorry, this isn't a legal case. They don't have to put Bonds in jail to have enough for a story. Obviously, you don't get that.
     
  2. creamora

    creamora Member

    What I don't get is why the facts in the case were repeatedly misrepresented. The "story" is supposed to be fair and accurate. The Chronicle stories are unfair and inaccurate in many instances. As Mark Twain once said, "A lie gets around the world before the truth gets it's boots on." In short, the two Chronile reporters were used to promote misinformation that mislead the public. Now the public cannot understand why almost all of the charges were dropped and why they are unable to indict Bonds. The public should have been told the truth instead of the many lies that they were told. I predict that when all is said and done the "slam dunk evidence" boys are going to be slammed dunked themsleves
     
  3. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Someone should take a collection and get Jeff Novitzky a recording device that's in working condition at least. Then we'd have actual confessions instead of having to take his word for it.
     
  4. David Ortiz doesn't think Bonds used steroids or that they helped him if he did use them.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2863623
     
  5. creamora

    creamora Member

    outofplace,

    The burden of "proof" is on the feds and the Chronicle to explain why so many charges were dropped and why there has been no indictment of Bonds. Ya think the answer might be that they have both misrepresented the facts in the case? Bonds is gettin' ready to break the home run record. I don't see anybody steppin' up with the "overwhelming evidence" that has been reported to exist. Why?
     
  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Again, you keep saying it is all lies...but that's it. Your word. Nothing else. Sorry, I'm not impressed.

    And sometimes, guilty people get off. One of the charming parts of our legal system.

    Keep arguing the bullshit all you want. Bonds used PED's. We all know it. Even you know it. The question is what, if anything, should be done about it.
     
  7. Hammer Pants

    Hammer Pants Active Member

    Because money can still fix most any problem in this country, and Barry was born with a lot of it and then made even more.

    Money, money, money.
     
  8. Hammer Pants

    Hammer Pants Active Member

    Are you on Barry's payroll, too? Is this part of his pr campaign? It's 50 percent hilarious and 50 percent sad that it wouldn't shock me.
     
  9. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Huh? Barry hired a lawyer. The Feds have spent milions of dollars trying to build a case and they haven't done it.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Wouldn't that seem unlikely based on the fact that hitting records (home records) have been shattered because of steroids and HGH, not pitching records? Middle relievers who used to come in throwing in the high 80s are now throwing in the low 90s and that is in large part due to PEDs. But major league hitters have a relatively easier time hitting a low 90s fastball, as opposed to a high 80s fastball, than pitchers have of keeping the ball in the park when a guy with a body builder's physique is swinging a bat like it's a toothpick.

    Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, etc. should be ample proof that there has been a greater advantage accrued to hitters--they shattered long-held home run records all at once--than there has been to pitchers from using PEDs, even if pitchers using them is cheating as much as hitters using them.
     
  11. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    I'm calling bullshit on that one. It is amazing to what degree bonds haters will go to try and find a smoking guns on bonds.

    What about the fact that guys are bigger, faster and stronger. What about the fact that parks are smaller. What about the fact that baseball has continuously tried to alter rules to make it easier for hitters since offense sells tickets and means ratings. What about the theories about the juiced balls and juiced bats ---- and most importantly -- what about the fact that the league is watered down due to expansion and thus, there just aren't as many or nearly enough quality pitchers out there.

    All of that has contributed to the numbers being greater than steroids could ever possibly be responsible for.

    And here is the reason that the Bonds hasn't been indicted -- because the so-called "evidence" that caused these two writers from SF to become famous is taken largely from the testimony of a jilted lover and a guy trying to save his own ass.
     
  12. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    The burden of proof in court is on the government, but individuals are entitled to make decisions without resort to formal legal proceedings. I would not be inclined to hire a baby sitter who was acquited of child abuse over someone who was never charged. I certainly am entitled to make judgements about others based on any standard I choose, as long as I am no t the government seeking to deny him life, liberty or property. I can hold a perfectly valid opinion that Barry Bonds knowingly and willingly used performance enhancing chemicals, to prolong his career, heal quicker from injuries and develop greater strength. It's just my opinion and I am entitled to it. Based on my opinion I am entitled to disrespect him and discount his performances. If the government want s to punish him for breaking laws, drugs or taxes, they are held to a different standard of proof.

    With Bonds as a public figure, you know better than I the standard of proof the Chroncile has in writing about Bonds' chemical usage.
     
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