Budget talks: This is getting nasty

No problem...you usually aren't like that and I figured you were just busting balls. I didn't take your last post as an insult...I thought it was funny. And Star, you are not hurting my feelings, you are belittling me as a person because my political beliefs differ from yours. If you are cool with that, great. I don't have a problem with your posts usually...even when the language gets colorful. But, come on...I asked a few times for people to chill out with that. If you choose not to that's entirely on you. I do not call it the Democrat Party...it is the Democratic Party. Not a big deal.

I guess I could start calling liberals a bunch of ponytail-wearing, hybrid-driving douchebags with hemp pants and bitch-tits...but that would be out of line

 

We just had two weeks of nearly constant media attention to it. If you don't think people are better educated about it, you're foolish.

And, just having the debate benefits the GOP.

 

They'll rise up and say "You know, that Obama ain't such a bad guy...for a communist Kenyan.

 

What a lot of people are aware of is that they spent the last two weeks talking about it on TV. Many are aware because they are sitting at home, unemployed and have nothing else to do.

They sat around saying "how 'bout doing something to get the job market going..."

 

What you describe sounds more deflationary that inflationary.

If there is an unwillingness to spend or invest, it pushes prices down. If you add to that, higher commodity prices -- the gallon of milk costs more and so does the gallon of gas -- than spending on everything else goes down, output goes down, jobs go down and you deflate more.

Even if you increase commodity prices more, you'll still deflate because of the unwillingness to spend and the problems that creates. If you print more money to counter the deflation, it'll make little difference because people will still be afraid to spend it.

 

Forget that shit -- no money.

We'll let "the magic of the marketplace" take care of that.

 

We have a bipartisan agreement to take the biggest problem we have as far as most people are concerned -- unemployment and overall worker income -- and make it worse. Ragu and I are as far apart on economics as it gets, but we both offer the same forecast. The political consequences of that, longer term than the next election, are enormous and unpredictable. It is entirely possible the Democratic party breaks apart. The doorbell ringers and envelope stuffers who worked for Obama in '08 will be gone fishin' in 2012. The old people who have become the core of the GOP may well be angry, poorer, Democratic voters in 2014 and 2016. Where the big money boys go during turmoil is anybody's guess.
The danger of what just went down is that sooner or later, probably sooner, there is going to be a President who reacts to blackmail by the opposition in Congress by running right over it through unconstitutional means, depending on his party's support in the Senate and public opinion to sustain him. That is the incentive our system has created for itself, making quasi-dictatorship look like a President's only profitable course of action.

 

Good fucking God. Step away from the ledge, people.

One thing this vote will do is separate the Tea Party from its convictions ... not once, but twice, as the Friday vote so proved. Throwing in enough SHINY OBJECTS like an impossible balanced-budget amendment and a beatification of St. Sarah of Caribou won't be enough.

Removing this question off the table for the 2012 elections is a huge win for the Democrats. Discount the value of demobilizing the howler monkeys at your own peril.

I don't know that Boehner can herd enough cats to pass this shitburger anyway. And it's a shitburger for both sides.

 

True, although both Republican and Democratic Presidents have added to that debt. They've just done it in different ways.