Bush: OK, I've got a plan. No, this one will work, honest.

Holy shit, does this mean yawn's leaving for four years?

Figures. Damned Republicans, they're only interested in cutting and running.

 

Originally posted by Yawn, many many times:

It's going to be a big surprise for the liberals. And I emphasize that once more.

Oops...

 

Hey, Zeke, your own brand of "politics of fear" worked. Your 60s mentality (a mindset that took this country way, way back until Desert Storm brought us back) has revived itself.

Just let Pelosi and her submissives play the politic game, where the focus is on preserving power rather than constructive progress, and ...remember Nixon/McGovern? That kind of ass-kicking can repeat itself in history too.

Just biding my time, boys. Biding my time. Pelosi won't change. Business as usual. What the Republicans did to lose Congress, the Dems will do and give it right back. Mark that down C-A-R-E-F-U-L-L-Y.

 

Gawd, a serious deconstruction of this post would make my head hurt.

Instead, I'll stick to two points.

1. You seem obsessed with Nancy Pelosi. Why is that?

2. Did I miss the part where you admitted you were colossally wrong?

 

Pelosi is your esteemed liberal with all the power. She made comments post-election that an increase in troops was a preferred option to solving this, getting it done, then getting out. Now, what we're hearing is that her and the leadership are saying NO to that. Why the change? Is the goal the success of our military or opposing Bush?

2) OK, so I picked the loser in the midterms. I didn't cause it. They caused it by politics as usual. Your people are following suit, so it's just a matter of time before we shift again in a never-ending two-ring circus of clowns.

 

On, no, Yawn. You had inside information.

You were paying close attention to the latest trends. You can't blame it on the usual cycles of electoral politics. After all, you were aware of those when you made your informed predictions, right?

Say it: I was wrong. I live my life in a right-wing-wanker bubble, and I believed what they spoon-fed me, right until the numbers were in.

Say it. You'll feel better.

 

Those same numbers were crowning Kerry the winner against Bush, weren't they?

The "usual cycles of electoral politics" are shaped by the politicians who obsess about building their power. The response of the voting public is a reaction to that.

 

I don't remember any respected pollster predicting anything but a dead heat between Kerry and Bush in the last week, but whatever helps you sleep.

And now you're resorting to the "people are too dumb to recognize what's going on" card? I thought you were the champion of the people?

Say it: I was wrong. I live my life in a right-wing-wanker bubble, and I believed what they spoon-fed me, right until the numbers were in.

Say it. You'll feel better.

 

There's a keyword here, and it's been mentioned only once in four pages of this ignorant, immature, stupid shit. And, hell, I think Yawn was the one who mentioned it, if that tells you anything.

Baghdad.

We're not sending 20,000 troops to an area the size of Texas. We're sending 20,000 ADDITIONAL soldiers and Marines to an area the size of (what is it?) Los Angeles to tackle the toughest neighborhoods in an effort to buy the Iraqi government some time.

To me, the plan seems like a half-ass good idea. Hell, if it was that big a deal, Congress'd be cutting the money, right?

Oh, and if you haven't cinched up your jockstrap for a trip 'cross the ole pond, don't be talking shit about a tour of duty and asking others if they've been. K?

 

November 04 elections were further proof Americans are just getting more stupid by the day....Re-electing Bush when things were not going well and we had not yet (and still haven't!) captured Bin Laden, and Bin Laden should have been top priority, not Saddam and Iraq.

 

You think that's a good idea? Just trying to secure Baghdad?

Then what? What do you after that's over with, even if you manage to pull it off, which isn't a given? You gonna secure L.A. and let the rest of California turn into a terrorist state/civil war zone?

I think it's time to face it, 3bf. It's over. We might secure Baghdad, but we can do nothing meaningful after that. Roughly 80 percent of the police forces we've trained are nothing more than militia, who will happily join the inevitable civil war as soon as we step out. The terrorist cells in the country are growing stronger by the day as they use our presence there as a recruiting tool. And we still have no real plan for longterm peace in the country.

I know the guys in the military don't like the idea of coming home without a win, but this wasn't a winnable situation from the jump. It's not their fault. They've done everything humanly possible to make this thing work, and then some. I say we bring them home, thank them profusely and let them live their lives.