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Cell phones: Is a day of reckoning coming?

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Story_Idea, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Were these same things said when books were first published, radio invented, television invented, the internet invented?
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    The short answer is: yes. Two books, "The Shallows" and "The Tyranny of Email" address a lot of that history.

    The short declaration that can serve as an entryway into a much longer, deeper conversation is: That doesn't make the present concerns unfounded. Perhaps a good analogy would be weaponry. When the nuclear bomb was introduced, there was concern about annihilation. The lazy response would have been: We worried about that when knives were invented. We worried about that when bow-and-arrows were invented.

    Fire.

    Guns.

    Grenades.

    And here we are. Still here.

    So the question is, are smart phones nuclear bombs? Or are they knives? Is there something fundamentally different about the way they alter us and alter our interactions with each other in a negative way than the written word or the printing press or the radio?

    Plus, why do we accept so easily the premise that television did not have a deleterous effect? The amount of time families spend engaged with one another is well-documented. It has, without a doubt, decreased.

    And why do we accept so easily the premise that the rise of the written word did not have a deleterous effect on ancient societies, and those that came after? Didn't we lose something when the oral tradition of storytelling faded away?

    Now, certainly much was gained, in both instances. But I would not be so dismissive of the notion that some balancing is fair game, and that all communications advances are not created equal.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Yes.

    And here's the full Krugman.

    www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/opinion/krugman-the-iphone-stimulus.html?hp

    Gotta say, Nobel prize or not, it's "whomever."
     
  4. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    And a quick google search will tell you air conditioning is destroying the American neighborhood.
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Again: Not completely wrong. We balance comfort against community. Comfort won. That doesn't mean community did not lose.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That was nonsensical.

    How did Alexander Graham Bell ever invent the telephone in the first place before John Maynard Keynes came along?

    What a disingenuous hack.

    And that doesn't even address the fact that John Maynard Keynes would have told Krugman to stop perverting what he wrote about. Individuals buying products because there is demand for them has zero to do with Keynesian spending, which is literally a strategy of government officials running a budget deficit and throwing money at things that aren't being demanded (because those officials have deemed the economy too slow because of lack of demand) in a misguided attempt to create economic activity.

    That has zero to do with Apple Computer, which sold out via preorders of the iPhone 5 by *gasp* demand for the phone, not a massive government spending program that is buying them up.

    You'd think he'd stay away from columns like that, because they undermine the things he advocates. Yet, he continuously does this. EVERYTHING is an example of why we need a Nanny State. So why shouldn't the iPhone somehow be twisted into that storyline too?
     
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Krugman is Ragu's own personal MankyJimy.
     
  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    You know he's not even the best economist on his own team, right?
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Isn't it kind of the opposite? Krugman ain't my Jetes.
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    CNN column on work-life balance smart phone issues:

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/14/opinion/oms-jackson-smartphones/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
     
  11. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty New Member

    i'm a little surprised at the number of attention whores there are on this thread.

    "look me in the eye. look me in the eye, dammit!"

    christ. what other people do with their lives impact you in no way. get over it.
     
  12. expendable

    expendable Well-Known Member

    According to Ray Bradbury, we are all supposed to be inside watching television at night by now. Perhaps the smartphone has SAVED interaction.
     
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