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Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 2, 2012.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    And yet I never hear anyone say the same of the constituency on Wall Street.
     
  2. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    Still waiting for that newspaper bailout to save tens of thousands of middle-class jobs.
     
  3. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Strategy principle: Substantially reduce impact of economic crisis on middle class in the short term.

    Metric: Tens of thousands of middle class people who kept jobs and supported their families rather than becoming unemployed.

    I'll accept your list of better bailout targets than the auto industry whenever you have time. And, as you know, this "upside" for the UAW (presumably saving jobs, right?) came in exchange for massive concessions.
     
  4. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    I'd gladly consider a list of newspaper publishers who were going bankrupt in 2008-09 and who provide, in total, as many jobs as those provided by GM and Chrysler and the associated companies and industries.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    What massive concessions? GM goes bankrupt and perhaps the company emerges with some jobs intact. If the company goes out of business, they are in the same spot employees of HP are, and millions of others who have gotten laid off (no political graft to give them jobs that we all pay for with our national debt). Looking for new jobs. Our president, on the other hand, didn't just give them jobs, which are not being funded by demand for any product but are being paid for by debt we all are on the hook for now (we could have just mailed each GM employee a check for $900,000 and let them sit at home and gotten the same result). He took the company out of a bankruptcy proceeding, took control of it in exchange for equity and used his influence to steal from its creditors to give the UAW more equity in the new company than creditors that were actually owed money got. Concessions?
     
  6. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    UAW concessions included giving up raises, bonuses, cost-of-living adjustments and agreeing to a two-tier wage system where new hires make about half what hourly production workers are now paid, all to get labor costs from $75/hr to $55/hr to match Toyota.
     
  7. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Your beloved UAW was the reason GM was dying in the first place.
     
  8. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    I'll hang up and listen? Could you start with the part where GM and Chrysler management were designing terrific cars and managing their product lines so well?
     
  9. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    I doubt it.
     
  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    The Electric Year in Review.

    www.nytimes.com/2012/12/23/automobiles/a-growing-up-year-for-plug-ins.html?hpw

    Zoom, etc.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This made me laugh:

    Even with all the media overhype, that is pitiful.
     
  12. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

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    The above is Iphone sales per quarter. I guess sticking with the tried and true Blackberry would have been wiser?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/technology/a-million-users-desert-blackberry-and-revenue-falls-48.html

    In 2007, about 1.4 million Iphones were sold. Now, they have sold over 100 million. Using Ragu's logic, the 2007 Iphone would have been a horrible flop, but people are not going to throw away an expensive phone just to get another one. Cars are the same. Most people are not going to get rid of a current car just to go to an electric car. But once their current car cycles out, I can see electric car sales going crazy much like what happened with the Iphone.

    Almost every car manufacurer is putting out an electric car or a hybrid. I guess Toyota, Honda, BMW, Ford and others have no idea what is happening.
     
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