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Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 2, 2012.

  1. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Still seems shortsighted. It's a long term capital investment in the future of the auto industry that should not be expected to payoff in year one.
     
  2. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    You should have sold in the late summer of 2011 when I first suggested it. It was closer to $1,900 then, right?

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/inside-the-market/premarket-gold-silver-prices-plummet/article6917057/?cmpid=rss1

    Meanwhile, over the holiday break they had a Tesla in a showroom at the Westchester Mall. I loved the techy little thing. It downloads updated software overnight, so the car conceivably runs better over time. Costs $600 a year in maintenance. Must be strange to drive a car without a transmission going through gear changes, though.
     
  3. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind that, as I pointed out, a dealership likely has lots of things it can spend $5,000 on. Maybe 50 of them have a positive net present value. The dealership is going to rank those opportunities in descending order and spend until it runs out of money. Wouldn't be surprised that for some dealerships, investing in this tool makes sense. For others, not so much.
     
  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    In the car business, I think dealerships - especially GM dealerships - suffered most in the recent economic unpleasantness. And in the new world of incentives like "three years of free service," and in the new age of internet dealmaking and buying your car through your local bulk store, these would be tough times generally.

    I'm guessing the margins aren't what they used to be anywhere in that business. $5000 for a single piece of equipment might loom pretty large.
     
  5. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Or cut into the budget for taking potential advertisers to lunch....
     
  6. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Still does not seem like a lot of money. With so much at stake for GM you would think they would try to figure something out like leasing the machines to dealers. Technology is apt to change anyway so dealers would not be stuck with obsolete tool.

    Also likely that some of these dealers feel burned by large investments they made in developing Hummer brand and are now taking a wait and see.

    There are roughly 3000 Chevy dealers so if GM were to put a tool in every dealer it would cost them 15 mil which does not seem like a big cost in the grand scheme of things.

    Maybe there is still time to tack it on to The Sandy relief bill.
     
  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    You can't expect a publisher to share an appetizer. You just can't.
     
  8. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Could we at least steer him to the calamari or the artichoke-spinach dip instead of the shrimp cocktail????
     
  9. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Just go to a deli that has the free bowl of pickles on the table
     
  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    At Applebee's, she can split an appetizer and get two entrees, all for around $20.

    That 52-week quarter-page commitment from the Chuckle Hut sells itself!
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Um, no. Because what I was talking about was not trading gold (which I do also), but actually having my money assets in gold rather than dollars. I am not caught up in the daily news (what happened yesterday was due to people reading tea leaves from the Fed's minutes. ... today a jobs report comes out that disappoints a bit, and gold makes back some of those losses because the tea leave readers now decide the Fed might keep printing money for a while longer after all). Nothing has changed. As long as QE is ongoing -- and it still is, despite the reaction yesterday, the Fed's balance sheet is at unprecedented levels, interest rates are in a permanent state of zero percent, and our Federal government is running up massive amounts of debt and showing no willingness to deal with its fiscal house (why I started buying the first place), I feel very comfortable holding gold or silver.

    Has the value of the dollars in your bank account appreciated the way my gold-dominated currency (in effect that is what it is) has since 2008? You are sitting on a real loss by holding dollars. I am content with how I have protected myself.

    If you are talking about trading. ... well, I do that as well. I am not trading gold at the moment, because my methodology is momentum based and there is no clear pattern using my indicators. But since I put most of what I have into gold (this was around the time of TARP in 2008), rather than dollars, I have had periods in which I made a lot of money SHORTING gold in the short term. I didn't sell my main holdings to do that, though. It is the difference between investing and trading. And as an investment, no, I don't need your advice on this. I have fared very well.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Car dealers don't care about capital investment in the future of the auto industry. They care about profits from selling cars. And it's a hard business.

    If you are selling only a couple of Volts a year, that $5,000 in new tools, on top of the $2,000 + you had to shell out two years ago, can be costing your dealership money. It would make no sense to buy those tools if you are not one of the handful of dealerships that is actually selling Volts in any volume.
     
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