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Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 2, 2012.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    Cell phones also need to be recharged regularly, have limited range and are generally much more expensive to buy and operate than hard lines.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    They offer a discernible advantage for your telecommunications needs. Which is why DEMAND spurred their adoption at a certain price point.

    EVs --as they exist -- offer limitations, not an advantage, and the price point they are at has hindered the demand for them.

    They have done everything they can to juke the sales of the Chevy Volt -- which would be the everyman's EV, if one exists. Nobody commented on this thread about the January sales figures. Without the giveaway leases they did heading into the election to juke sales, based on straight demand, sales were back to dismal. Back down to 1,140 sold for the month.

    There may be a parallel between EVs and the cell phone, but making it right now is ridiculous.

    There is no advantage to an EV, other than feeling good that you are driving an EV, and that does zilch for most people. When I say no advantage, that includes price and functionality. A cell phone gave you portability and ability to be reached anywhere. When they got cheap enough, you didn't have to try to incentivize people to adopt them. They made people's lives easier and better. So DEMAND (my ongoing refrain on this thread) was what led to their adoption.

    In terms of its function, what does an EV give you that another car doesn't? Right now, it offers only limitations -- and you pay more for it. That is not a good deal for most people, which is why demand is not there.

    IF that ever changes, sure there might be demand for them. But given where they are -- and this is 100+ year old technology that really hasn't come very far in that 100 years -- are you really surprised that demand has been piddling, despite every effort to subsidize them and try to induce people to buy them?
     
  3. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    I don't agree with the premise that an EV MUST be able to do EVERYTHING a combustion engine vehicle will do. There are myriad functions for combustion engine vehicles, too, from sports cars to SUVs, depending on purpose. Many two-car families could easily adapt to an EV as their bopping-around-town, pick-up-the-kids, grocery shopping vehicle while having another larger vehicle for distance. I imagine people in rural areas may have little use for them until their range improves but I think their will be strong demand for EVs in urban areas ... when prices come down.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    People buy a car as a mode of transportation. Unless your EV can enhance your life in some OTHER way, why exactly wouldn't you buy the obvious premise that it is competing directly with other cars? People don't go shopping for a technology. They go shopping for functionality. And they make their decisions based on functionality relative to price. All I am saying is that the EV fails on both functionality and price in its current iterations.

    It is possible that an EV could offer some functionality that satisfies some kind of demand, and that demand creates a market for them. But given where we are at now, what do the people on here who respond to my posts think that demand is? And if I am wrong about what I am saying, why do we have to subsidize them to billions of dollars of public debt a year and still find that the market isn't buying them?
     
  5. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    For those supporting the ev how come you have not bought one yet?
     
  6. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    We have an F150, which is paid for, and a Hyundai Elantra that has 83,000 miles on it. The Elantra costs us $212 a month, and has a couple more years of payments left on it. The vehicle that replaces either the truck or the Elantra will be electric.

    I put 30,000 miles a year on a car, and hopefully in 4-5 years, when the Elantra has reached the end of its life cycle, I can replace it with a car that can drive 200 miles on a charge.

    This is what so many of you don't see; there are thousands upon thousands of potential buyers of electric vehicles who are smart enough not to scrap a working vehicle for an electric car. But when the time comes, they will be buying an electric car. And it would be bad business for Chevy not to have a vehicle line for them to buy.
     
  7. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    How often do you pump gas? How often do you spend $30, $50 or $75 to fill a gas tank?
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    In what way does your post relate to what I posted?
     
  9. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Not going to the gas station twice a week and saving money to spend on other things would enhance my life.

    Plus, the whole global warming thing for my daughter and her children. By the way, how was the hurricane and massive snowfall?
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Um, if I need to make a "marathon conference call" on my cell phone, I can PLUG IT IN and still make the call.

    You can't drive an EV while it's plugged in. Pretty big difference.

    Also, as Ragu points out -- and I've pointed out previously -- the electric car is a 100-year-old technology. It's not the new kid on the block.

    In fact, cell phones are a much newer phenomenon.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Again, did you read my post? How does anything you just posted in two posts now address what I wrote about cost relative to the function it provides? If it's a big enough life enhancer for you to avoid going to a gas station to end up paying more overall for your transportation needs, and get a car out of it with range limitations, then go ahead and buy an EV. Or if some perceived global warming benefit (never mind all the criticism of EVs because creation of electricity leaves a bigger carbon footprint than burning gasoline does) to you, again, knock yourself out.

    The evidence would suggest that most people don't find the things you think enhance your life enhancements to their lives. There is little demand for these cars as they exist. For precisely the reasons I posted. On a cost relative to functionality basis, it is a bad deal for most people relative to other types of cars.

    I still have no clue what my gas tank or a hurricane or snowfall have to do with anything I posted? But I've come to expect non sequitur posts from you, which make sense only to you.
     
  12. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    So is making coffee.
     
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