Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Boom_70 · Feb 14, 2013

cranberry said:

Boom_70 said:

Whether the read outs are accurate or not they still present a complex process that will turn many potential buyers away for now. If I am spending $60,000 plus on a car I want mindless driving and all features working at all times. I've had too many rounds of golf ruined by electric carts that kick out going up the hill on the 15th hole.
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You should walk the course. Golf is much more enjoyable that way.
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Not with my game.

doctorquant · Feb 14, 2013

cranberry said:

Boom_70 said:

Whether the read outs are accurate or not they still present a complex process that will turn many potential buyers away for now. If I am spending $60,000 plus on a car I want mindless driving and all features working at all times. I've had too many rounds of golf ruined by electric carts that kick out going up the hill on the 15th hole.
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You should walk the course. Golf is much more enjoyable that way.
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I walk all the time. But I still have lots of rounds of golf ruined ... mostly by a swing that kicks out on the first tee.

old_tony · Feb 14, 2013

Captain Obvious said:

old_tony said:

Justin_Rice said:

Armchair_QB said:

That and the car won't last seven years.
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That's fine - it'll still be under warranty.
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And the taxpayers will be soaked once again.
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If only there was this much concern regarding taxpayers subsidizing the oil industry.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2013/01/02/oil-gas-tax-provisions-are-not-subsidies-for-big-oil/

Captain Obvious · Feb 14, 2013

old_tony said:

Captain Obvious said:

old_tony said:

Justin_Rice said:

Armchair_QB said:

That and the car won't last seven years.
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That's fine - it'll still be under warranty.
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And the taxpayers will be soaked once again.
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If only there was this much concern regarding taxpayers subsidizing the oil industry.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2013/01/02/oil-gas-tax-provisions-are-not-subsidies-for-big-oil/
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If that was the only type of subsidy the industry gets.

93Devil · Feb 14, 2013

Boom_70 said:

93Devil said:

FileNotFound said:

Musk's handling of the NYT story is a textbook example of how NOT to handle tech PR.

The Tesla is using a lot of brand-new technology. It's reasonable to expect that there'll be flaws, and that it'll work differently than existing technology. The story indicated that this was basically what Tesla reps said to the NYT reporter.

Tesla's response needed to be, "Yeah, we found some glitches, our dev team is working on them now and we'll and release a 1.1 version next month." And then nothing until next month. Even if the NYT was wrong or exaggerated the issues (both of which are highly unlikely), it would serve Tesla far better to do some more testing, come up with a system to deal with the (thoroughly expected) problems with drawing large amounts of electricity from a battery in cold weather, and then announce next month that those solutions have been implemented. The positive buzz this would create would far outweigh any damage done by the NYT story. Again, reasonable people expect that new technology is going to be glitchy.

Musk's going on the offensive is going to simply draw more attention to the nearly half-billion dollars of public money that his company has buzzed through. The last thing he needs is to turn public sentiment against him. The automotive press has declared the Tesla Model S a home run. He doesn't seem to realize how far ahead of the game he actually is. His response to the NYT indicates to me that he and his company are feeling a bit desperate, which doesn't bode well at all for Tesla's future.
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I disagree.

If this reporter took a joy ride around Manhattan and subsequently ran out of juice, I would call him out on it. He trashes the product in the story.

But I would only call them out if I had stone cold proof that he did.
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Did you even read The Times story?

If you are going to spend $100,000 on a car you should be able to drive it where you want and not have to worry that each extra mile is going to you stranded without power.

The fact that this car actually ran out of juice on the highway makes you wonder how these cars will do in metro areas with a lot of traffic during rush hour.
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93Devil said:

FileNotFound said:

Musk's handling of the NYT story is a textbook example of how NOT to handle tech PR.

The Tesla is using a lot of brand-new technology. It's reasonable to expect that there'll be flaws, and that it'll work differently than existing technology. The story indicated that this was basically what Tesla reps said to the NYT reporter.

Tesla's response needed to be, "Yeah, we found some glitches, our dev team is working on them now and we'll and release a 1.1 version next month." And then nothing until next month. Even if the NYT was wrong or exaggerated the issues (both of which are highly unlikely), it would serve Tesla far better to do some more testing, come up with a system to deal with the (thoroughly expected) problems with drawing large amounts of electricity from a battery in cold weather, and then announce next month that those solutions have been implemented. The positive buzz this would create would far outweigh any damage done by the NYT story. Again, reasonable people expect that new technology is going to be glitchy.

Musk's going on the offensive is going to simply draw more attention to the nearly half-billion dollars of public money that his company has buzzed through. The last thing he needs is to turn public sentiment against him. The automotive press has declared the Tesla Model S a home run. He doesn't seem to realize how far ahead of the game he actually is. His response to the NYT indicates to me that he and his company are feeling a bit desperate, which doesn't bode well at all for Tesla's future.
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I disagree.

If this reporter took a joy ride around Manhattan and subsequently ran out of juice, I would call him out on it. He trashes the product in the story.

But I would only call them out if I had stone cold proof that he did.
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Looks like they did.

The writer is an idiot.

old_tony · Feb 14, 2013

I know if I spent $100,000 on a car I would make damn sure it could handle a couple of miles worth of detour.

Boom_70 · Feb 14, 2013

old_tony said:

I know if I spent $100,000 on a car I would make damn sure it could handle a couple of miles worth of detour.
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I definitely would not take The Lincoln Tunnel in an electric.

Captain Obvious · Feb 14, 2013

old_tony said:

I know if I spent $100,000 on a car I would make damn sure it could handle a couple of miles worth of detour.
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It can. You just have to charge the car first.

93Devil · Dec 15, 2014

old_tony said:

I know if I spent $100,000 on a car I would make damn sure it could handle a couple of miles worth of detour.
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Charging stations

The Big Ragu · Feb 14, 2013

The Times has something up responding. Says Broder is working on a point-by-point response that will get posted later today.

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/conflicting-assertions-over-an-electric-car-test-drive/

In the mean time, this piece from the Atlantic questions Musk's use of the data and his assertions: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/02/elon-musks-data-doesnt-back-his-claims-new-york-times-fakery/62149/

YankeeFan · Feb 14, 2013

The Atlantic Wire is not the Atlantic.

It's a terrible brand extension which undermines its own brand.

Azrael · Feb 15, 2013

Broder's detailed NYT response posted last night.

wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-what-it-says-and-what-it-doesnt/?hpw

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