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He's not suggesting it. Those are numbers of people who pre-ordered it.

 

His post was offered as a support for Tesla and the general viability of EV. A hundred thousand people dropping a grand for a car before production vehicles have rolled off the line does not support his claim.

 

After being proven to be dishonest in your last few attempts at claims, I'll do it again here with this claim. I will also add that it isn't necessarily your fault that you are being dishonest since other reports are stating the same...

From Rueters:

Like I said, you're not the only one being dishonest... The fact is Tesla is a tech company designing batteries and selling them as cars. Thousands upon thousands of companies operate at a lost over a number of years. Especially since it is considered normal.

The other fact is, you can look at the date of the articles which state that Tesla is selling a car at a loss and choose to update your knowledge on whether this remains true at the end of the year or if this holds steady. Given the Tesla Q4 earnings reports, their year ended positive. They lost no money! Seems as though they turned a profit. But, you keep going with your claims about the car company selling each car at a loss even though its based on year old thinking...

 

Honest question... why do you believe that this is "the left's favorite car company"?

By all accounts those that love cars, really love the performance of Tesla's high end vehicles. That has nothing to do with an individual's politics.

Those with liberal points of view are somewhat mixed on Musk given the stories on how he treats his workers versus whether this electric vehicle is the "answer" to some mysterious question.

 

Your responses suggest that you can write but that you can't read.

 

If you feel like pointing out where I'm wrong, by all means, go ahead. Please, also provide links to sources for any claims you make when doing so. Thanks!

 

1. I haven't suggested any numbers. The number I quoted was reported by Forbes.
2. Yes, that's certainly key. However, the number of people who are spending $1,000 to reserve the car is certainly indicative of their excitement.
3. Looks like we have a good idea of the cost. $35,000 base, going up to $60,000 fully loaded. Consumers will decide on models somewhere in between.
4. Sure, that's true, the tax credits will affect demand. That doesn't "distort" the demand. The demand will be real at that price point and it may not be there if people have to pay an extra $7,500. It's a factor people consider when purchasing a vehicle and the market will decide.

 

Two hundred thousand. In a day.

And my post suggested car buyers are excited over the car and that excitement could quite possibly be indicative of a mass market for EVs that has heretofore not materialized.

 

Fine. Instead of 'you' I should have wrote 'the numbers.' Minor point.

Indicative of their excitement is meaningless. Lots of people can put down one grand. It is not indicative of how many people will be willing/able to buy the car whenever the car is available.

The car was promoted prior to yesterday at $35G. Now there is a lot other costs.

Subsidies distort demand. You make something cheaper, more people will want it. It's not even Econ 101.

 

I'm intrigued by your comments about "calling you names". I guess I called you dishonest today, but are you really that emotional about how I proved you were not presenting facts and claiming them to be yesterday?

Sadly, I read this post through out of some sort of thought that you really would post something of substance. The fact is you didn't. That isn't calling you names, that is pointing out that you are making claims with zero evidence to back it up.

I linked the earnings reports. You have the ability to look at it. I linked to the articles about how Tesla is losing money. This isn't random Googling, this is putting pieces of information together and providing the connectivity to it. You provide none of that. All you make is claims about what you believe is happening based not on reality.

I'm not an evangelist about Tesla. I don't own one. I likely won't buy one. I do like the technology they've developed with the car. As a car company, they could die. I don't care. As a battery company, which is more along the lines of what they are, they are exceptionally good.

I find it odd that the worst I called you today was "dishonest" while you go with the ad hominems about "masturabte into a search engine" and "don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about."

You don't really know me. You don't know the projects I've worked on for a variety of companies. You have no concept of what I even do for a living yet you claim, after I point out how very wrong you were about the company's subsidies, that I know nothing... Odd...

 

As pointed out previously, the government has always manipulated the market into to address and assist the public with the types of purchases it would like for them to make. At present, a Tesla or other EVs are beneficial to the greater good of society. To outweigh the subsidies received by various oil and other fossil fuels, they try to counter with a buyers subsidy for you and I to make this purchase. Some will take up the option. Others may not.