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Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 2, 2012.

  1. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    The Boring Co. is one of two finalists selected to make a presentation for a new rail line from downtown Chicago to O'Hare.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Elon Musk's Chicago Tunnel Makes a Dumb Idea Even Dumber

    But it sounds so cool!

    The mark of a con man is someone who makes incredible-sounding promises, doesn't deliver when it comes time, and then makes even bigger promises to shift the conversation.

    The Boring Company / Elon Musk is going to revolutionize the field of civil engineering, to do things no one has ever managed to do. ... K. I wish him luck in that endeavor. As long as it doesn't come at my expensive (a la his other companies), let him squander his own money, or the money of anyone dumb enough to fund his BS.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  4. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Said many of electricity, powered flight, the steam engine, penicillin, etc, et al.
     
  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Elon Musk is NASA management pre-Challenger.
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    What's so interesting about Musk is that he's all of this, bringing us all of these - maybe - and also the North Haverbrook monorail and tabletop cold fusion and a perpetual motion machine.

    He's Barnum and he's Ponzi and Preston Tucker and Clifford Irving and a little Thomas Edison, too. Although which is present in which proportion?
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    He's a carnival barker.

    Put the carnival barker thing aside, though. If you don't need other people's money, you are perfectly within your rights to tell people asking questions to pound sand. This guy, though, is not only a bullshit artist, he acts like an entitled ass. Write a critical story about one of his cars (a factually correct one) and he attacks you. Ask questions about his dogshit balance sheet and he says you're "boring." His company has burned through billions of dollars of other people's money (and as I have made clear on this thread, it pissed me off that our government put all of his on the hook for some of that money by giving him corrupt preference / cash). In the past three months alone, his company burned through yet another billion dollars of other people's money. It doesn't take a genius to incinerate cash. If there is any genius to him, it's his ability to bullshit others into giving him money.

    But fine. After getting a pass for how many years, he finally was facing some investors saying, "You are really close to running out of money, and you aren't hitting any of the projections you gave us for profitability and cash flow. What's the plan here, because looking at these numbers, your company is bankrupt within a year?"

    Can there be any more legitimate line of questioning for the person who is stewarding an investor's money?

    In a world of bubble finance the last 7, 8 years, in which central banks had the credit spigots flowing -- and blowing bubbles / creating zombie companies (with this being the poster child for what they did) -- he had no trouble finding capital. Not just capital. Very cheap capital. There was a lot of stupid money being incentivized to chase riskier and riskier things. That is what happens when some appointed czars price fix the most important price in capitalism -- interest rates. That is changing now. After that performance last night, I am sure the fixed-income world took notice. *IF* he is still able to access the debt markets, it should be at extreme Shylock rates. His bonds coming due next year are already trading way below par, so it should be a no brainer.
     
  8. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Lotta people wanna believe in these things ... and when a lotta people wanna believe in something, there's always someone willing to oblige that desire ... for a fee.
     
  9. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    I'll give him (spiritual) credit for (mostly) mass-producing the Tesla, and Space-X rockets. I am hoping he will continue to push development of new and better batteries. So it's not like it's all smoke and mirrors. Look how long it took Amazon to turn a profit.
     
  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Amazon could have called itself profitable at any point in the five years before it actually did. The core business was doing great. But it devoted massive amounts of money to R&D and called it a loss. The revenues were there, though, and continued to grow.

    Tesla sells cars. But not that many. Not nearly enough to turn anything close to a profit. It can’t fill orders from thousands of people who are begging to buy the product. That’s a pretty bad business.
     
  11. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Boring Company would be a fantastic name for a band.
     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    He's in many businesses.

    www.wired.co.uk/article/elon-musk-tesla-spacex-empire

    And as Ragu says, he's taken terrific advantage of our historic bubble of lunatic investment.

    The advancements in solar tech and space transport and battery and charger deployment are already pretty well documented.

    The question is, will they ever pay back what it cost to develop them?

    Be interesting to see which of the others, if any, succeed.

    The hyperloop premise is exciting.
     
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