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Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 2, 2012.

  1. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    Have you ridden in a Tesla? They're awesome, awesome cars.


    .... and every time I see this thread title, I'm reminded that the failed Chevy Volt is still for sale at Chevy dealers.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The girl scout down the block sold more cookies going door to door in her spare time than Chevy is selling those cars.

    Seriously, Chevy loses quite a bit of money on each of the Volts and Bolts, but they are willing to subsidize those losses because to the extent they sell any in California (and it's the only state they have made a push to sell the cars in -- I would bet 90 percent of their piddly sales are there over the last 2, 3 years), they get ZEV credits that they need to sell the gas-powered cars that they can actually sell profitably. ... thanks to California making it difficult to do business for automakers. It's probably close to a wash for them, because they need those credits to sell gas-powered cars in Cali. In fact, sales of the ZEV credits that state hands them, has been the only profitable business that Tesla has come up with. It effectively has had auto companies that know how to meet actual consumer demand being forced to subsidize Tesla's business (or put more honestly, forcing them to hand over cash to Elon Musk so he can incinerate it).
     
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  3. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    ...and is still being sold for a loss.
     
  4. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    I've looked at some closely and the lines on the panels don't match up. Consumer Reports didn't recommend the Tesla 3. Elon admits the company cannot sell the Tesla 3 at the "affordable" level he made such a big deal out of. Somebody will get a deal picking up all that technology that makes for a great ride at the bankruptcy sale.
     
  5. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

  6. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    As I recall, the Model X had some significant quality control issues, too.
     
  7. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Anyone got an update on what Consumer Reports thinks about the Model 3?
     
  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Do they recommend it?
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Give me a brake.
     
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  10. GilGarrido

    GilGarrido Active Member

    I think you'd lose your bet. In 2017, 13,000+ of the 23,000+ Bolts sold in the U.S. were sold in California (source: two Inside EVs charts) - a big percentage, but nowhere near 90%. I assume the percentage of sales in California is a bit lower this year, as Bolts weren't available in much of the country until the second half of 2017. It looks like fewer than 3,200 of the 20,000+ Volts sold in the U.S. that year were sold in California, because the Volt isn't included in the chart showing the top-selling EVs in California, which goes down to 3,202.

    Around 90% of the Fiat 500e (4,943/5,380) and VW e-Golf (3,202/3,534) 2017 sales were in California, so those look like strictly compliance cars. I think I've seen Marchionne quoted admitting this is the case for Chrysler/Fiat's electric cars.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    So not 90 percent in the case of the Chevy cars. I should have known they couldn't limit their sales to Cali, as much as I suspect they would prefer to. It's still a wash for them on the Bolt at least, but only because of California subsidizing the car. They lost between $8K and $10K on every Bolt sold outside of Cali. But the 4 ZEV credits they got from every Bolt they sold in Cali were worth around $8K to $10K according to stuff I have read. Using the numbers you provided. ... they might have even made a little money at the expense of California's citizenry. But the point still is, they are not making money in any productive way. They are getting subsidized by the state of California to sell a car unprofitably.
     
  12. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

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