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Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 2, 2012.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    I think there are sufficient historical examples to the contrary to say 'not always.'

    While disruptive innovation may occur as theory outside the confines of the corporation, the new idea is often only brought to practical fruition by grant of money and research made possible by the corporation's resources.

    The transistor existed as an idea; a theory; even a series of patents as early as the 1920s. It didn't exist in fact until twenty years later when Bell Labs (and Westinghouse France) threw a haystack of cash and brain power at it.
     
  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Very true. And, I think what AQB may have been trying to point out was that a lot of Dems are all for cutting Defense, unless it means closing a base in their district, or cutting a weapons program that is built in their district.

    And, if it's not what he meant to say, well then it's what I'm saying.
     
  3. Uncle.Ruckus

    Uncle.Ruckus Guest

    And a lot of Republicans are all for cutting domestic spending, unless it's a bridge or road or pork project in their district. What's your point?
     
  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's fair to compare this too spending on the Volt.

    For many Defense contractors, their entire potential market consists of the Defense Department. (Eventually other nations may also buy hardware and/or weapons, but not before the Defense Department does first.)

    So, I'm not going to invest a lot of money trying to design a new fighter jet, or attack helicopter, with the hope the Department of Defense might buy it.

    But, if I thought I could come up with a reliable, electric car, that could travel a great distance on a single charge, at a low price, I'd invest a lot of money, because the market is huge.

    The market doesn't need government money.
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    That they're all hypocrites.

    That's why we need to stop sending so much money to Washington. Giving them less money is the only way to get them spend less. (Well, paired with dome kind of balanced budget amendment, or some other means to prevent unlimited debt spending.)
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Again, note that I was pointing out our $50 to $100 billion annual DoD cost overruns - which are greeted everywhere in patriotic silence - and comparing them to the howls of protest surrounding this relatively paltry one-time auto bailout.

    The actual DoD budget is many times higher per year.

    As a Constitutional aside, I don't think Article 1 guarantees a $1,000,000,000,000/year weapons development complex.
     
  7. Uncle.Ruckus

    Uncle.Ruckus Guest

    Take it up with the southern states. They typically spend way more than they give.
     
  8. GeorgeFHayek

    GeorgeFHayek Member

    Sure it does. With all those penumbras and emanations, it's a living document, after all ... :D
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I was just looking back over posts on this thread. From the Daily News story I linked to above: The Nissan Leaf has sold just 4,228 this year. Mitsubishi has a $30,000 plug-in car that has sold only 403. It doesn't mention the Ford plug-in. The only reason the Volt is selling a bit better is that our Federal government-owned car company doesn't have to worry about profits, the way those other car companies do, so it can spend a ton on marketing a car that nobody is buying. It's why the Volt, a car with relatively few sales, gets so much attention.

    I found this interesting too:

    http://www.freep.com/article/20120926/BUSINESS01/309260025/Tesla-Motors-warns-it-will-miss-sales-expectations

    I forget about Tesla Motors. They have used $465 million in Federal loans ... to produce less than 300 cars. And they can't make a quarterly interest payments on their loans, so the Department of Energy is letting them put off payments as they meander their way into bankruptcy and leave taxpayers on the hook.
     
  11. Chef2

    Chef2 Well-Known Member

    I saw someone driving a Chevy Volt in town the other day. Ugly vehicle.

    I think they were smoking weed too.
     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Grumble, grumble, grumble . . . boondoggle, defense . . . grumble, grumble.

    247wallst.com/2012/01/09/the-10-most-expensive-weapons-in-the-world/print/


    fcw.com/articles/2012/07/13/dod-denies-cbo-projected-cost-overruns.aspx

    www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/army-report-military-has-spent-32-billion-since-97-on-abandoned-weapons-programs/2011/05/23/AGwuqjCH_story.html


    Grumble, grumble, grumble . . . boondoggle, Wall Street bailout, trillions . . . grumble, grumble.

    www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Total_Wall_Street_Bailout_Cost

    spectator.org/blog/2011/08/23/the-12-trillion-fed-bailout-of
     
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